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- Nothing against Russian researchers, but apart from Iris who is somewhat anonymous and doesnt have the required equipment to create good samples, I havent see

- Nothing against Russian researchers, but apart from Iris who is somewhat anonymous and doesnt have the required equipment to create good samples, I havent seen anyone from there interested in performing expts on this - There have already been some retractions from China after the initial replication claims. I get the feeling they have been overeager about this to prove themselves. Maybe if they approach this with cooler heads, they could be depended on more. - When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor (even if geographically they are in the east)

carabiner 3y ago
> When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor (even if geographically they are in the east) It's difficult to communicate with you if you just redefine common expressions however you see fit. It's like saying "by left, I mean right." Just... stop.
- ironborn123 3y ago
  We can debate about expressions/terminology, but these three countries are very very closely aligned with the US. Ofcourse its mutually beneficial. A joke a military contact cracked once is that the only diff between these three and guam, is that guam is officially recognized as US territory. Make of that what you will.
tw1984 3y ago
> When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor Are you implying that the west is as corrupted as Japan? That is not something I can agree with. In case you got yourself isolated from daily news for too long, below is just some recent news regarding those common practices in japanese labs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_scientific_misconduct_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_scientific_misconduct... most japanese major groups are falsifying their various type of data - just look at recent news since 2015 Hitachi admitted falsifying data on brake testing https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14508789 https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14508789 More fraudulent testing found in Mitsubishi Electric https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14630514 https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14630514 Accounting fraud by Toshiba https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Toshiba-s-chairman-Kobayashi-to-quit-after-aiding-scandal-reset https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Toshiba-s-chairma... Kobe Steel admits data fraud went on nearly five decades https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kobe-steel-scandal-ceo/kobe-steel-admits-data-fraud-went-on-nearly-five-decades-ceo-to-quit-idUSKBN1GH2SM https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kobe-steel-scandal-ceo/ko...
- ironborn123 3y ago
  Lets not drag Japan into this. They have very high standards in research despite the few examples you gave here, some of which are not even science related. As a widely accepted measure of this, you can read about the many nobel laureates from japan. Anyways lets keep politics out of the discussion. It was not my intent anyway, in case you perceived it that way.

carabiner 3y ago

> When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor (even if geographically they are in the east) It's difficult to communicate with you if you just redefine common expressions however you see fit. It's like saying "by left, I mean right." Just... stop.

ironborn123 3y ago
We can debate about expressions/terminology, but these three countries are very very closely aligned with the US. Ofcourse its mutually beneficial. A joke a military contact cracked once is that the only diff between these three and guam, is that guam is officially recognized as US territory. Make of that what you will.

tw1984 3y ago

> When i said western labs, i spiritually include japan, taiwan, south korean labs in that, since they generally have similar practices and rigor Are you implying that the west is as corrupted as Japan? That is not something I can agree with. In case you got yourself isolated from daily news for too long, below is just some recent news regarding those common practices in japanese labs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_scientific_misconduct_allegations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_scientific_misconduct... most japanese major groups are falsifying their various type of data - just look at recent news since 2015 Hitachi admitted falsifying data on brake testing https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14508789 https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14508789 More fraudulent testing found in Mitsubishi Electric https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14630514 https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/14630514 Accounting fraud by Toshiba https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Toshiba-s-chairman-Kobayashi-to-quit-after-aiding-scandal-reset https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Companies/Toshiba-s-chairma... Kobe Steel admits data fraud went on nearly five decades https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kobe-steel-scandal-ceo/kobe-steel-admits-data-fraud-went-on-nearly-five-decades-ceo-to-quit-idUSKBN1GH2SM https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kobe-steel-scandal-ceo/ko...

ironborn123 3y ago
Lets not drag Japan into this. They have very high standards in research despite the few examples you gave here, some of which are not even science related. As a widely accepted measure of this, you can read about the many nobel laureates from japan. Anyways lets keep politics out of the discussion. It was not my intent anyway, in case you perceived it that way.