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He believes proof of humanity is vital in a world where AI can convincingly pass as human

by modo_ 3y ago

ryandrake 3y ago
So, making a buck creating a huge problem, and then making another buck working on the solution to that problem as a side-hustle. Boy, I'm really proud to be working in Tech in 2023...
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > making a buck creating a huge problem, and then making another buck working on the solution to that problem as a side-hustle Except he's doing neither of these. He's just talking about them while raising money.
  - mcguire 3y ago
    That's the beautiful part. No work necessary.
  - reaperducer 3y ago
    He's just talking about them while raising money. He's not just talking about them. The whole reason this thread exists is because he is acting on the second one. There was a more detailed article about the whole scheme, and how far it's gone in the New York Times yesterday.
px43 3y ago
I actually think his actual concern here is humans stealing identities and running bots in order to farm any sort of UBI mechanism that gets set up. It's not about humans asserting their humanness over some evil AGI/ASI machine, it's about sybil resistance. Malicious humans pretending to be thousands or millions of other humans.
- pessimizer 3y ago
  That sounds like a automation problem. If you have an office dealing with UBI and unemployment in your neighborhood, the government can literally know their customer. The more people unemployed, the easier it will be to staff them. These people are pretending they're fighting fraud, when instead they're trying to reinvent government responsibilities/campaigns as passive income sources for 3rd party rent-seekers. Uber for welfare.
  - px43 3y ago
    That sounds neat. I like the ultra-local approach. The important thing that I think your argument is missing is that everything here is additive. I'm sure the whole Worldcoin team would love it if governance organizations of all sizes, from tiny villages to billion+ population nation states would run UBI programs to take care of their people. The thing is, today, that's not really happening, so there are a number of people working to make it happen from different angles. Maybe all of them fail, maybe one succeeds, maybe a bunch succeed and any given citizen of the world might be entitled to payments from a handful of UBI sources. Do you think there are better global scale UBI projects and ideas out there, or do you think we should just stop trying to solve this problem?
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Do you think there are better global scale UBI projects and ideas out there, or do you think we should just stop trying to solve this problem? To the degree Worldcoin is doing anything to UBI, it's in tarnishing its brand. (Identity verification is not what's holding it back.) If they were serious about this as anything but another crypto pump-and-dump, they'd focus on direct foreign aid.
      - px43 3y ago
        Sybil resistance is important in any sort of UBI system that preserves privacy, which may or may not be important. I like the idea of a privacy preserving UBI, and feel like it's definitely a lot more equitable than having it based on existing passports, or bank account numbers, or something like that.
whyenot 3y ago
Can an AI physically go to the DMV and get a REAL-ID? If we reach the point where this seriously is a concern, then we will have other, much larger problems to deal with. WorldCoin feel like a scam. The crypto aspect and then paying people in Africa to gaze into metal orbs and get their irises scanned (with funding from A-Z and Vinod Khosla), ... it's not exactly a confidence builder.
- dragonwriter 3y ago
  > Can an AI physically go to the DMV and get a REAL-ID? AI can just run the DMV and issue itself a REAL-ID. Worldcoin doesn’t solve the problem, though, especially with Sam Altman involved.

He believes proof of humanity is vital in a world where AI can convincingly pass as human

by modo_ 3y ago

He believes proof of humanity is vital in a world where AI can convincingly pass as human

So, making a buck creating a huge problem, and then making another buck working on the solution to that problem as a side-hustle. Boy, I'm really proud to be working in Tech in 2023...

JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> making a buck creating a huge problem, and then making another buck working on the solution to that problem as a side-hustle Except he's doing neither of these. He's just talking about them while raising money.
- mcguire 3y ago
  That's the beautiful part. No work necessary.
- reaperducer 3y ago
  He's just talking about them while raising money. He's not just talking about them. The whole reason this thread exists is because he is acting on the second one. There was a more detailed article about the whole scheme, and how far it's gone in the New York Times yesterday.

px43 3y ago

I actually think his actual concern here is humans stealing identities and running bots in order to farm any sort of UBI mechanism that gets set up. It's not about humans asserting their humanness over some evil AGI/ASI machine, it's about sybil resistance. Malicious humans pretending to be thousands or millions of other humans.

pessimizer 3y ago
That sounds like a automation problem. If you have an office dealing with UBI and unemployment in your neighborhood, the government can literally know their customer. The more people unemployed, the easier it will be to staff them. These people are pretending they're fighting fraud, when instead they're trying to reinvent government responsibilities/campaigns as passive income sources for 3rd party rent-seekers. Uber for welfare.
- px43 3y ago
  That sounds neat. I like the ultra-local approach. The important thing that I think your argument is missing is that everything here is additive. I'm sure the whole Worldcoin team would love it if governance organizations of all sizes, from tiny villages to billion+ population nation states would run UBI programs to take care of their people. The thing is, today, that's not really happening, so there are a number of people working to make it happen from different angles. Maybe all of them fail, maybe one succeeds, maybe a bunch succeed and any given citizen of the world might be entitled to payments from a handful of UBI sources. Do you think there are better global scale UBI projects and ideas out there, or do you think we should just stop trying to solve this problem?
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Do you think there are better global scale UBI projects and ideas out there, or do you think we should just stop trying to solve this problem? To the degree Worldcoin is doing anything to UBI, it's in tarnishing its brand. (Identity verification is not what's holding it back.) If they were serious about this as anything but another crypto pump-and-dump, they'd focus on direct foreign aid.
    - px43 3y ago
      Sybil resistance is important in any sort of UBI system that preserves privacy, which may or may not be important. I like the idea of a privacy preserving UBI, and feel like it's definitely a lot more equitable than having it based on existing passports, or bank account numbers, or something like that.

whyenot 3y ago

Can an AI physically go to the DMV and get a REAL-ID? If we reach the point where this seriously is a concern, then we will have other, much larger problems to deal with. WorldCoin feel like a scam. The crypto aspect and then paying people in Africa to gaze into metal orbs and get their irises scanned (with funding from A-Z and Vinod Khosla), ... it's not exactly a confidence builder.

dragonwriter 3y ago
> Can an AI physically go to the DMV and get a REAL-ID? AI can just run the DMV and issue itself a REAL-ID. Worldcoin doesn’t solve the problem, though, especially with Sam Altman involved.