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Do you consider laws against drunk driving a violation of personal freedom and if not, why not?

MostlyStable 3y ago
Seriously? Regardless of your view on seat belt laws (or drunk driving laws for this matter) the difference is blindingly obvious: A drunk driver is _highly_ likely to kill someone else (I think I may have heard in the past that they are more likely to kill someone else than die themselves, although I'm not super confident on it). If you aren't wearing a seat belt, you're just going to kill yourself.
- lijok 3y ago
  If you're not wearing a seatbelt and have a passenger in the car, you are highly likely to kill the passenger, especially if t boned.
  - MostlyStable 3y ago
    While this does seem like it's true [0], at least in that case the other passengers know whether or not you are wearing a belt, and can, in extremis, choose not to ride with you (I'm going to ignore minors for the moment as that is a different and much more nuanced topic). When it comes to drunk drivers, other people on the road don't even know they are taking the risk. And of course, that ignores the fact that seatbelt laws do not differentiate between when you are driving alone (extremely common in the US) vs. with passengers. [0]https://glofin.com/blog/consequences-of-not-wearing-a-seatbelt/ https://glofin.com/blog/consequences-of-not-wearing-a-seatbe...
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  Rear seat without a seat belt becomes a danger to people seating in front, for example.
- CSSer 3y ago
  Not quite. Passengers without seat belts are a hazard to other individuals in the vehicle too. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y3InF19dzlM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y3InF19dzlM
  - lijok 3y ago
    WARNING: Disturbing Here's a good wear your seatbelt advert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE
  - dude187 3y ago
    That's a risk for the driver to assume or not assume
- thereare5lights 3y ago
  Wrong. In a collision, you're literally a projectile when you don't wear a seat belt.
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wnevets 3y ago
Related video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSDniOoR3Lw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSDniOoR3Lw
LAC-Tech 3y ago
Yes they are. A violation of personal freedom most of us consider worth it, but a violation one the less.

Seriously? Regardless of your view on seat belt laws (or drunk driving laws for this matter) the difference is blindingly obvious: A drunk driver is _highly_ likely to kill someone else (I think I may have heard in the past that they are more likely to kill someone else than die themselves, although I'm not super confident on it). If you aren't wearing a seat belt, you're just going to kill yourself.

lijok 3y ago
If you're not wearing a seatbelt and have a passenger in the car, you are highly likely to kill the passenger, especially if t boned.
- MostlyStable 3y ago
  While this does seem like it's true [0], at least in that case the other passengers know whether or not you are wearing a belt, and can, in extremis, choose not to ride with you (I'm going to ignore minors for the moment as that is a different and much more nuanced topic). When it comes to drunk drivers, other people on the road don't even know they are taking the risk. And of course, that ignores the fact that seatbelt laws do not differentiate between when you are driving alone (extremely common in the US) vs. with passengers. [0]https://glofin.com/blog/consequences-of-not-wearing-a-seatbelt/ https://glofin.com/blog/consequences-of-not-wearing-a-seatbe...
RandomLensman 3y ago
Rear seat without a seat belt becomes a danger to people seating in front, for example.
CSSer 3y ago
Not quite. Passengers without seat belts are a hazard to other individuals in the vehicle too. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y3InF19dzlM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y3InF19dzlM
- lijok 3y ago
  WARNING: Disturbing Here's a good wear your seatbelt advert https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHY69AFstE
- dude187 3y ago
  That's a risk for the driver to assume or not assume
thereare5lights 3y ago
Wrong. In a collision, you're literally a projectile when you don't wear a seat belt.

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wnevets 3y ago

Related video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSDniOoR3Lw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSDniOoR3Lw

LAC-Tech 3y ago

Yes they are. A violation of personal freedom most of us consider worth it, but a violation one the less.