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this seems like a plausible outcome, and if true could spell disaster for OpenAI models relative to the competition and open source models. Currently, reliabili

this seems like a plausible outcome, and if true could spell disaster for OpenAI models relative to the competition and open source models. Currently, reliability is one of the core obstacles preventing widespread adoption of LLMs in many business critical workflows. And if these rumors, that GPT-4 is inherently un-deterministic and unreliable, are true then most enterprises are better off finetuning open source LLMs—which are just as capable—for their specific domains. they stand to gain better performance that way anyways, as domain-specific models will always outperform generalist ones

geysersam 3y ago
> domain-specific models will always outperform generalist ones That's only true assuming you habe enough data to train a domain-specific model / expertise to train it and test it correctly. I've encountered cases where an image recognition task could be accomplished well with a very general model like CLIP, but people still fine-tuned another model on their own small data set because that's considered better. A domain specific model might be more likely to fail on weird outliers not present in the small domain specific training data. > could spell disaster for OpenAI Nah I don't think so. They are not all in on one specific model architecture. If the current architecture is found to have serious unfixable flaws then they'll just change architecture.
famouswaffles 3y ago
>as domain-specific models will always outperform generalist ones This is not even close to true for Language models.
mrtranscendence 3y ago
> And if these rumors, that GPT-4 is inherently un-deterministic and unreliable, are true then most enterprises are better off finetuning open source LLMs—which are just as capable Wait, am I misunderstanding you? I feel like I've had a head injury or something, because I've never heard of an open source LLM that's as capable as GPT-4 (in most scenarios).
- visarga 3y ago
  Only on specific domains, these models don't become generalists like GPT-4, they can become task experts for a single task.
  - famouswaffles 3y ago
    Fine-tuned MedPalm is worse than GPT-4 on most Medical Challenge Tests. Fine-tuned Minerva is much worse on arithmetic benchmarks. The LLM space is just different. There's no guarantee a fine-tuned model will beat a bigger generalist one.
famouswaffles 3y ago
Fine-tuned MedPalm is worse than GPT-4 on most Medical Challenge Tests. Fine-tuned Minerva is much worse on arithmetic benchmarks. The LLM space is just different. There's no guarantee a fine-tuned model will beat a bigger generalist one.

geysersam 3y ago

> domain-specific models will always outperform generalist ones That's only true assuming you habe enough data to train a domain-specific model / expertise to train it and test it correctly. I've encountered cases where an image recognition task could be accomplished well with a very general model like CLIP, but people still fine-tuned another model on their own small data set because that's considered better. A domain specific model might be more likely to fail on weird outliers not present in the small domain specific training data. > could spell disaster for OpenAI Nah I don't think so. They are not all in on one specific model architecture. If the current architecture is found to have serious unfixable flaws then they'll just change architecture.

famouswaffles 3y ago

>as domain-specific models will always outperform generalist ones This is not even close to true for Language models.

mrtranscendence 3y ago

> And if these rumors, that GPT-4 is inherently un-deterministic and unreliable, are true then most enterprises are better off finetuning open source LLMs—which are just as capable Wait, am I misunderstanding you? I feel like I've had a head injury or something, because I've never heard of an open source LLM that's as capable as GPT-4 (in most scenarios).

visarga 3y ago
Only on specific domains, these models don't become generalists like GPT-4, they can become task experts for a single task.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  Fine-tuned MedPalm is worse than GPT-4 on most Medical Challenge Tests. Fine-tuned Minerva is much worse on arithmetic benchmarks. The LLM space is just different. There's no guarantee a fine-tuned model will beat a bigger generalist one.

famouswaffles 3y ago

Fine-tuned MedPalm is worse than GPT-4 on most Medical Challenge Tests. Fine-tuned Minerva is much worse on arithmetic benchmarks. The LLM space is just different. There's no guarantee a fine-tuned model will beat a bigger generalist one.