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No, no it shouldn't.
by n4te 3y ago
No, no it shouldn't.
- anaisbetts 3y agoReally? You think that a modern consumer/professional operating system, upon double-clicking a video, should do nothing? That's a thing that you would ship to an entire planet full of Regular People and say "Yes, this is the Right Thing. You should be happy about this result"
- simonjgreen 3y agoThis was exactly what the EU ruled way back, yes
- Arainach 3y agoThe EU government ruled that but no customer actually wanted it. The Windows N versions existed for legal reasons but that doesn't mean anyone bought them.
- n4te 3y agoThis is about debloat. I don't want Microsoft's garbage utilities.
- Gud 3y agoYes, exactly. A video player should be easily installed via the operating systems package manager.
- MrYellowP 3y agoRando: "Gud, why's there no video player installed? How do I get to play my video player?" Gud: "Just use the operating system's package manager." Rando: "What's that? How do I find it?" Gud explains what it is and how to find it. Rando: "Wow, finally found it. What do I do next?" Gud: "You search for a video player. Try [...]." Rando: "I can't find it. This sucks. Why is there no video player installed by default? Makes no fucking sense." Two hours later you've managed to achieve installation. Rando: "I don't like this player. I want a different one." Yeah. No. A video player should be installed by default. Period.
- Gud 3y ago? Normally you would select which software to install during initial setup. And FWIW, there is no way it would take me 2 hours assisting someone with installing a video player. Maybe 10 minutes.
- rationalist 3y agoRando: "I don't like this player. I want a different one." Gud: It's the player installed by default. Gud spends the next two hours helping Rando install a non-default video player (and possibly battling Microsoft for the default apps for all of the different file types associations).
- ehutch79 3y agoI can't reply to Gud below, but their comment really shows they haven't worked with real users at all. A lot of people on hacker news assume everyone is in the demographic of hacker news for some odd reason. It absolutely can take 2 hours to help someone with a task it would take you 2 minutes to do (with 1.5 of those minutes watching progress bars) Some people are just dumb as rocks. Some, if you say to click a button labeled whatever, they will instead close the window. Some will just get up and walk away while you're talking to them. Some arn't dumb, but are just trying to stretch time to keep from having to go back to work. Some people won't tell you their laptop turned off because they're not plugged into power.
- darkclouds 3y ago> Some people are just dumb as rocks. Or maybe they have become apathetic for what's on offer. Its not like anyone documents what data is sent back to base by an app, and its not like anyone is even looking at how to use the firewall to block data phoning home, in order to protect privacy and reduce the attack vector from opportunists with network access. This all seems like a side show.
- ehutch79 3y agoHow is any of that relevant to walking a use through self install of an app. From an app store or managed software centers, or wherever.
- uoaei 3y agoWouldn't it be a sensible default to open and play the video with the web browser?
- mcpackieh 3y agoNo. Browsers burn more power (20-50% more, assuming that hardware decoding is working. It's even worse if it isn't) and have fewer features. The default video playing interface in browsers lacks the ability to even display subtitles and change audio tracks. These should be table stakes for any video player.
- Fyrezerk 3y agoThe Linux hivemind on HN would say that's OK, but that mindset is also why Linux has such a dismal consumer base. There should be a video player built it by default, yes, but it should also be easy to remove if you so choose.
- dugite-code 3y agoDon't know when you last tried a Linux distro but most Linux distro's come with a video player out of the box and have done for the better part of the last 10 years at the very least
- housemusicfan 3y agoCorrection: most Linux distros come with 12 video players out of the box (and at least 7 calculator apps)...... the philosophy of "we can't decide so just include them all" is pretty strong.
- dizhn 3y agoThat's usually from installing multiple window managers which all pull their own dependencies. It should be possible in principle to install enough of a window manager without installing unnecessary packages.
- mikedelago 3y agoThere may be 12 video players in the package repositories but I can't think of any distro that installs with 2 video players.
- hulitu 3y agoxine, phonon and mplayer ? slackware at least
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- yifanl 3y agoNothing's stopping you from rebloating your OS after running this debloat command.