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iPhones just work. Macs just work. 99% of people don’t want to spend time configuring anything. Both iOS and Android stopped innovating like 5 years ago, but a

iPhones just work. Macs just work. 99% of people don’t want to spend time configuring anything. Both iOS and Android stopped innovating like 5 years ago, but at least the Apple ecosystem doesn’t feel dead like Android.

atahanacar 3y ago
If they just work, why are there support forums full of questions?
SapporoChris 3y ago
From a sim card set of instructions that I was working with today: For iPhone customers: Please install APN after inserting sim card. Open the following website with Safari-Browser: *.*.com. That isn't just working. It looks like iPhone users have an extra configuration step when using this particular sim card.
- jackvalentine 3y ago
  I’ve never seen that before and am interested. Can you post a link to those instructions?
  - SapporoChris 3y ago
    Sure thing. https://imgur.com/a/GsLYW6W https://imgur.com/a/GsLYW6W The specific instructions for iPhone users are at the very bottom.
    - jackvalentine 3y ago
      Thanks! Very interesting. I suspect this has something to do with the network arrangements of simcard-korea. That’s not standard for iphones with ‘normal’ in-country sims. I change my sim every few months and it ‘just works’ without any extra steps.
    - worrycue 3y ago
      I think the app is just for you to check your data usage. Things will work without it. Just insert the SIM card and reboot.
      - jackvalentine 3y ago
        The link at the bottom has a profile that sets the APN - it might work without it if you reboot tbh but without being in Korea and having the SIM I can’t verify that. It isn’t the app that he’s talking about.
        worrycue 3y ago
        Didn’t see that. Viewed image on phone and didn’t scroll. I think it depends on the carrier whether APNs are required. Can be automatically set nowadays with iOS 16 according to https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201699 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201699
        jackvalentine 3y ago
        I don’t think I’ve _ever_ had to manually set my APN though. I’m now more confused after seeing your link!
zh3 3y ago
I've bought 2 apple products, my wife has bought 1. iPad: Failed after a year, no replacement (we can 'upgrade') - it technically works but shuts down 3 or 4 minutes after boot. mac Mini: Hard disk failed. Out of warranty, so bought a cheap SSD and gave it to the kids (they prefer something that plays modern games). iPod: Old, yes, taken out of the drawer for a road trip but dead as a doornail. Admittedly, not tried an iPhone.
- skydhash 3y ago
  I have a 2011 mac mini that is being used as a file/media/misc apps server right now. I’ve also got a 2020 m1 mba (personal) and a xps 15 (from work) and while the xps is more powerful, it does not feel as nice as the mba (no noise, feels solid). I’m not at all happy with apple’s restrictions, but they build nice tools. When i want something to tinker with, I choose something else.
- akmarinov 3y ago
  My dad has a Windows PC, I’ve had to help out 5-6 times in the last two years, because Windows just stops booting up after an update… My wife got a Dell first its NVM gave out a year in (never seen that happen) then - you guessed it - she updated Windows and it stopped booting.
- laserdancepony 3y ago
  I've had numerous iDevices over the years and not a single one failed anyhow. No iPhone, no iPad, no Power Mac, no Macbook, no mac Mini. And I got a trade in worth 40 bucks on my still working 2013 iPad when I bought my 2021 one.
pwb25 3y ago
except you need a new set of cable adapters for each new phone they just remove more and more stuff
jjav 3y ago
> Macs just work. Not anymore. The hardware quality has gone downhill hard. My powerbook from 2004 still works fine (kind of too slow, so I don't use it, but works fine). In my powerbook from 2021 the entire right side of ports died less than a year into it. Bought a macbook air in late 2022, one of the usbc ports died just a few months into its life. Which reminds me I need to take it to the store and see if they'll fix it or if I'm SOL again.
dmz73 3y ago
That's the myth. From personal experience helping iPhone users, they seem to tolerate bad interface and hardware a lot more than other people and blame themselves when they can't get something to work.
hntway123 3y ago
I'm not ragging on anyone that uses Apple products, but the "Apple products just work" thing is just as big of a meme as "Apple is for rich people" & "Android is for poor people" memes. Apple products "just work" so long as you want to do something Apple deems worth doing.

atahanacar 3y ago

If they just work, why are there support forums full of questions?

SapporoChris 3y ago

From a sim card set of instructions that I was working with today: For iPhone customers: Please install APN after inserting sim card. Open the following website with Safari-Browser: *.*.com. That isn't just working. It looks like iPhone users have an extra configuration step when using this particular sim card.

jackvalentine 3y ago
I’ve never seen that before and am interested. Can you post a link to those instructions?
- SapporoChris 3y ago
  Sure thing. https://imgur.com/a/GsLYW6W https://imgur.com/a/GsLYW6W The specific instructions for iPhone users are at the very bottom.
  - jackvalentine 3y ago
    Thanks! Very interesting. I suspect this has something to do with the network arrangements of simcard-korea. That’s not standard for iphones with ‘normal’ in-country sims. I change my sim every few months and it ‘just works’ without any extra steps.
  - worrycue 3y ago
    I think the app is just for you to check your data usage. Things will work without it. Just insert the SIM card and reboot.
    - jackvalentine 3y ago
      The link at the bottom has a profile that sets the APN - it might work without it if you reboot tbh but without being in Korea and having the SIM I can’t verify that. It isn’t the app that he’s talking about.
      - worrycue 3y ago
        Didn’t see that. Viewed image on phone and didn’t scroll. I think it depends on the carrier whether APNs are required. Can be automatically set nowadays with iOS 16 according to https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201699 https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201699
        jackvalentine 3y ago
        I don’t think I’ve _ever_ had to manually set my APN though. I’m now more confused after seeing your link!

zh3 3y ago

I've bought 2 apple products, my wife has bought 1. iPad: Failed after a year, no replacement (we can 'upgrade') - it technically works but shuts down 3 or 4 minutes after boot. mac Mini: Hard disk failed. Out of warranty, so bought a cheap SSD and gave it to the kids (they prefer something that plays modern games). iPod: Old, yes, taken out of the drawer for a road trip but dead as a doornail. Admittedly, not tried an iPhone.

skydhash 3y ago
I have a 2011 mac mini that is being used as a file/media/misc apps server right now. I’ve also got a 2020 m1 mba (personal) and a xps 15 (from work) and while the xps is more powerful, it does not feel as nice as the mba (no noise, feels solid). I’m not at all happy with apple’s restrictions, but they build nice tools. When i want something to tinker with, I choose something else.
akmarinov 3y ago
My dad has a Windows PC, I’ve had to help out 5-6 times in the last two years, because Windows just stops booting up after an update… My wife got a Dell first its NVM gave out a year in (never seen that happen) then - you guessed it - she updated Windows and it stopped booting.
laserdancepony 3y ago
I've had numerous iDevices over the years and not a single one failed anyhow. No iPhone, no iPad, no Power Mac, no Macbook, no mac Mini. And I got a trade in worth 40 bucks on my still working 2013 iPad when I bought my 2021 one.

pwb25 3y ago

except you need a new set of cable adapters for each new phone they just remove more and more stuff

jjav 3y ago

> Macs just work. Not anymore. The hardware quality has gone downhill hard. My powerbook from 2004 still works fine (kind of too slow, so I don't use it, but works fine). In my powerbook from 2021 the entire right side of ports died less than a year into it. Bought a macbook air in late 2022, one of the usbc ports died just a few months into its life. Which reminds me I need to take it to the store and see if they'll fix it or if I'm SOL again.

dmz73 3y ago

That's the myth. From personal experience helping iPhone users, they seem to tolerate bad interface and hardware a lot more than other people and blame themselves when they can't get something to work.

hntway123 3y ago

I'm not ragging on anyone that uses Apple products, but the "Apple products just work" thing is just as big of a meme as "Apple is for rich people" & "Android is for poor people" memes. Apple products "just work" so long as you want to do something Apple deems worth doing.