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I wouldn't be surprised if the author, and a large segment of HNers agreeing with her, did a swift about-face when they realized that Tor also provides an end-r

I wouldn't be surprised if the author, and a large segment of HNers agreeing with her, did a swift about-face when they realized that Tor also provides an end-run around the internet backbone black-holing of IPs that some Tier 1 ISPs did to KiwiFarms last year, during the height of the campaign to deplatform it. More people using Tor in general means more people having the means and know-how to evade censorship, and we can't have that, can we?

somehnguy 3y ago
I don't think anyone would be surprised - what you're describing is pretty obvious to anyone who has ever looked into Tor for more than .1 seconds. It's also pretty well understood that when restrictions can be evaded it will be used for both good & bad purposes, that's just the nature of it.
tekla 3y ago
We want privacy for everyone, except for the people we don't like.
- Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
  Describing KiwiFarms as "people we don't like" is dishonest. The people on KiwiFarms are actively harmful and engage in illegal harassment activities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Harassment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Harassment
  - tekla 3y ago
    Ok fine. Everyone deserves privacy except those people
  - wikimarfer 3y ago
    That accusation has been repeatedly debunked. Also, on a more positive note, amongst all the gossiping and somewhat rude behaviour, they've documented a significant amount of illegal activity by others. In particular, how certain individuals of gender have been grooming children and committing sex crimes - which is why these creeps tried so hard to take Kiwifarms offline. And ultimately failed, as it's still up and running, even on the clearnet.
  - 634636346 3y ago
    > engage in illegal Well then why haven't they been prosecuted?
  - hexage1814 3y ago
    >using wikipedia as a source Not even wikipedia own founder believes on it anymore. It's essentially useless for anything political related because you already know that they will be heavily biased in favor of a given side... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
  - thrwaway1234567 3y ago
    My comment here goes into more depth about that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37008614 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37008614
tomatotomato37 3y ago
Actually wouldn't a move to Tor completely destroy the ability to effectively moderate any sort of community since you have no way of banning spammers/bots? Even a "lawless" place like 8chan or Kiwifarms will have trouble holding discussions if all their forums are filled with copy-pasted CP from some random botnet
- swapfile 3y ago
  No it wouldn't. You can use difficult to obtain cookies or registration to prevent bots.

somehnguy 3y ago

I don't think anyone would be surprised - what you're describing is pretty obvious to anyone who has ever looked into Tor for more than .1 seconds. It's also pretty well understood that when restrictions can be evaded it will be used for both good & bad purposes, that's just the nature of it.

tekla 3y ago

We want privacy for everyone, except for the people we don't like.

Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
Describing KiwiFarms as "people we don't like" is dishonest. The people on KiwiFarms are actively harmful and engage in illegal harassment activities. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Harassment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms#Harassment
- tekla 3y ago
  Ok fine. Everyone deserves privacy except those people
- wikimarfer 3y ago
  That accusation has been repeatedly debunked. Also, on a more positive note, amongst all the gossiping and somewhat rude behaviour, they've documented a significant amount of illegal activity by others. In particular, how certain individuals of gender have been grooming children and committing sex crimes - which is why these creeps tried so hard to take Kiwifarms offline. And ultimately failed, as it's still up and running, even on the clearnet.
- 634636346 3y ago
  > engage in illegal Well then why haven't they been prosecuted?
- hexage1814 3y ago
  >using wikipedia as a source Not even wikipedia own founder believes on it anymore. It's essentially useless for anything political related because you already know that they will be heavily biased in favor of a given side... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/wikipedia-founder-larry-sanger-democrats-b1885138.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
- thrwaway1234567 3y ago
  My comment here goes into more depth about that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37008614 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37008614

tomatotomato37 3y ago

Actually wouldn't a move to Tor completely destroy the ability to effectively moderate any sort of community since you have no way of banning spammers/bots? Even a "lawless" place like 8chan or Kiwifarms will have trouble holding discussions if all their forums are filled with copy-pasted CP from some random botnet

swapfile 3y ago
No it wouldn't. You can use difficult to obtain cookies or registration to prevent bots.