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Who is providing the finance and under what terms? How does rhat actually differ from banks or one of the many microfinance services predating crypto? Now, th

Who is providing the finance and under what terms? How does rhat actually differ from banks or one of the many microfinance services predating crypto? Now, the real kicker, what is the effective cost when _all_ fees are included, because someone has to pay for it and when combining the interest of non-traditional lenders and such fees I highly doubt it'll be cheaper.

latchkey 3y ago
These are collateralized loans that are automated with "smart" contracts. Programmable money. Who? Anyone who wants to provide liquidity. Is this different from existing solutions? Yes and no, the difference is that there is no human intervention here... you don't have to ask for permission. You're also dealing with a global pool of funds using open source technology, instead of just a single bank or service. The only additional "fees" above the interest rate are the cost of a transaction on the block chain. There are certainly a lot fewer hands in the pot and overhead. Learn more at one of the largest and oldest sites: https://aave.com https://aave.com
- DropInIn 3y ago
  Who proves the collateral exists and is unfettered by existing contracts, specifically those provided through other platforms/existing mechanisms? You see there is still a whole bunch of steps left out.
  - latchkey 3y ago
    It is baked into the contracts and the way that the networks and protocols work. The general idea isn't super complicated though. You have tokens, they sit in a wallet that you control. Let's say you own 10 ETH. Then that is in your wallet. Those ETH are mathematically provable to be in your wallet. In the case of AAVE, you send your tokens to their contract, they give you back a receipt token which represents how much they owe you. Once your tokens are in their contract, you are free to borrow against the value that is locked up. If you get liquidated due to not maintaining your loan ratio, AAVE just keeps your tokens and your receipt tokens are then invalid. There aren't any steps left out. It is really on you to read the documentation and bring some understanding around how all this works. I'll point you here: https://docs.aave.com/hub/ https://docs.aave.com/hub/ I googled and found another good article for you: https://www.leewayhertz.com/how-defi-lending-works/ https://www.leewayhertz.com/how-defi-lending-works/
    - DropInIn 3y ago
      Just ignored my questions to give the standard allusions rants.... "proves the collateral exists" means who validates the asset doesn't have a standard run of the mill contract/lien/etc? Just answer that, and _actually_ answer it (the site sure doesn't in any reasonable nor concise manner) and we'll go from there.
      - latchkey 3y ago
        > standard allusions rants Oh, I see, you just want a hostile battle and don't want to do any sort of actual conversation around knowledge you refuse to learn on your own. > "proves the collateral exists" means who validates the asset doesn't have a standard run of the mill contract/lien/etc? I don't understand this line at all.
        DropInIn 3y ago
        Making a vague reference to something isn't an answer, nor is a random link and a "look here", especially when the link doesn't provide the answer. And the fact you don't understand that line is the proof you don't know enough about traditional contracts to be able to compare them to smart contracts. Seriously.... you've just done more to prove to me that you crypto folks are generally just ignorant of real world issues.
        latchkey 3y ago
        > you've just done more to prove to me that you crypto folks are generally just ignorant of real world issues. I didn't know I was supposed to "prove" anything to you or handhold you on reading even the basics of the available documentation. All I have to say is your loss for not making the effort on your own and being so negative and combative. Good luck sir.
        DropInIn 3y ago
        Just more deflections and allusions. https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/encumbrance https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/encumbrance Educate yourself.

latchkey 3y ago

These are collateralized loans that are automated with "smart" contracts. Programmable money. Who? Anyone who wants to provide liquidity. Is this different from existing solutions? Yes and no, the difference is that there is no human intervention here... you don't have to ask for permission. You're also dealing with a global pool of funds using open source technology, instead of just a single bank or service. The only additional "fees" above the interest rate are the cost of a transaction on the block chain. There are certainly a lot fewer hands in the pot and overhead. Learn more at one of the largest and oldest sites: https://aave.com https://aave.com

DropInIn 3y ago
Who proves the collateral exists and is unfettered by existing contracts, specifically those provided through other platforms/existing mechanisms? You see there is still a whole bunch of steps left out.
- latchkey 3y ago
  It is baked into the contracts and the way that the networks and protocols work. The general idea isn't super complicated though. You have tokens, they sit in a wallet that you control. Let's say you own 10 ETH. Then that is in your wallet. Those ETH are mathematically provable to be in your wallet. In the case of AAVE, you send your tokens to their contract, they give you back a receipt token which represents how much they owe you. Once your tokens are in their contract, you are free to borrow against the value that is locked up. If you get liquidated due to not maintaining your loan ratio, AAVE just keeps your tokens and your receipt tokens are then invalid. There aren't any steps left out. It is really on you to read the documentation and bring some understanding around how all this works. I'll point you here: https://docs.aave.com/hub/ https://docs.aave.com/hub/ I googled and found another good article for you: https://www.leewayhertz.com/how-defi-lending-works/ https://www.leewayhertz.com/how-defi-lending-works/
  - DropInIn 3y ago
    Just ignored my questions to give the standard allusions rants.... "proves the collateral exists" means who validates the asset doesn't have a standard run of the mill contract/lien/etc? Just answer that, and _actually_ answer it (the site sure doesn't in any reasonable nor concise manner) and we'll go from there.
    - latchkey 3y ago
      > standard allusions rants Oh, I see, you just want a hostile battle and don't want to do any sort of actual conversation around knowledge you refuse to learn on your own. > "proves the collateral exists" means who validates the asset doesn't have a standard run of the mill contract/lien/etc? I don't understand this line at all.
      - DropInIn 3y ago
        Making a vague reference to something isn't an answer, nor is a random link and a "look here", especially when the link doesn't provide the answer. And the fact you don't understand that line is the proof you don't know enough about traditional contracts to be able to compare them to smart contracts. Seriously.... you've just done more to prove to me that you crypto folks are generally just ignorant of real world issues.
        latchkey 3y ago
        > you've just done more to prove to me that you crypto folks are generally just ignorant of real world issues. I didn't know I was supposed to "prove" anything to you or handhold you on reading even the basics of the available documentation. All I have to say is your loss for not making the effort on your own and being so negative and combative. Good luck sir.
        DropInIn 3y ago
        Just more deflections and allusions. https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/encumbrance https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/encumbrance Educate yourself.