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Because people want things like remote start, remote climate control, etc. that they can control from phone apps.

forgetfreeman 3y ago
Do they though? I mean if it's there sure people will mess with it but I don't recall any public outcry for either center dash ADHD factories or keyless anything.
- dsr_ 3y ago
  In my experience, people like the following remote features: * Where's my car? Press the button, get a honk. * Lock the doors. If they're powered, close themi first. * Unlock the doors. If they're powered, open them afterward. * Warm up the car, it's cold outside. * Cool down the car, it's hot outside. So that's five buttons on a remote, maximum. None of them require connection to infotainment systems.
  - dsr_ 3y ago
    If I didn't care about discoverability, I could reasonably reduce that to: * Lock button. Hold it down to get a honk. * Unlock button. Hold it to get the car started; if the interior temperature of the cabin is outside a set range, warm or cool it appropriately. Make one button big and round and smooth and bright, and the other one big and square and textured and dark.
    - fragmede 3y ago
      That's easy enough for the salesman to tell the customer when they're looking at the car. Still need a button to open the trunk tho.
- VectorLock 3y ago
  I do, yes. It'd also be nice to know things like state of charge/how much gas I got, whats the car temperature now - tell me when it reaches X, look at my car's cameras. There are plenty of compelling use-cases.
  - forgetfreeman 3y ago
    There was a time when vehicles had dedicated gauges for vital info like operating temp, oil pressure, rpms, etc. so it's not like solutions don't already exist that don't involve a fucking tablet in the middle of the dash. Backup cameras I'll give you though.
JohnFen 3y ago
I can't be the only one who actively doesn't want any of that. Surely there's a market for those who just want a car, not a smartphone on wheels.
- forgetfreeman 3y ago
  There aren't many of us left but you aren't alone.

Do they though? I mean if it's there sure people will mess with it but I don't recall any public outcry for either center dash ADHD factories or keyless anything.

dsr_ 3y ago
In my experience, people like the following remote features: * Where's my car? Press the button, get a honk. * Lock the doors. If they're powered, close themi first. * Unlock the doors. If they're powered, open them afterward. * Warm up the car, it's cold outside. * Cool down the car, it's hot outside. So that's five buttons on a remote, maximum. None of them require connection to infotainment systems.
- dsr_ 3y ago
  If I didn't care about discoverability, I could reasonably reduce that to: * Lock button. Hold it down to get a honk. * Unlock button. Hold it to get the car started; if the interior temperature of the cabin is outside a set range, warm or cool it appropriately. Make one button big and round and smooth and bright, and the other one big and square and textured and dark.
  - fragmede 3y ago
    That's easy enough for the salesman to tell the customer when they're looking at the car. Still need a button to open the trunk tho.
VectorLock 3y ago
I do, yes. It'd also be nice to know things like state of charge/how much gas I got, whats the car temperature now - tell me when it reaches X, look at my car's cameras. There are plenty of compelling use-cases.
- forgetfreeman 3y ago
  There was a time when vehicles had dedicated gauges for vital info like operating temp, oil pressure, rpms, etc. so it's not like solutions don't already exist that don't involve a fucking tablet in the middle of the dash. Backup cameras I'll give you though.

JohnFen 3y ago

I can't be the only one who actively doesn't want any of that. Surely there's a market for those who just want a car, not a smartphone on wheels.

forgetfreeman 3y ago
There aren't many of us left but you aren't alone.