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I think that means no iOS development so if you need that you need a real Mac

qalmakka 3y ago
Well, QEMU has no graphical acceleration for macOS (no virtio drivers for XNU and Quartz) so it's basically unusable - software rendering has been historically borked on macOS, and never well tested.
jeroenhd 3y ago
I can see why that would block publishing apps to the app store, but surely you can still locally develop applications in the iOS emulator?
- ziftface 3y ago
  I'm sure it's possible, depending on the kind of application and the tools you use to build it. But xcode won't build your application if you don't link your account. I believe it needs that to "sign" the application with apple. There may be ways to get around this but I don't of any.
  - saurik 3y ago
    You can manage your signing identity entirely using Apple's website and just not use automatic provisioning. (I do that anyway even though I build on macOS as I just don't want our build system tied to Xcode just so we can use the automatic provisioning.)
EMIRELADERO 3y ago
Note that the EU's Digital Markets Act will probably stop all that bs, as requiring to use one core platform service to develop for, and distribute to, another (iOS) is against that law. Third-party app stores and outright website-based app distribution are coming next year anyway.
- ziftface 3y ago
  That's interesting, I did not know about this legislation. I'm not European, but it seems that even outside of Europe, people will benefit from this change.
  - sofixa 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect
- tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
  If Apple was compelled to support a first-class iOS development experience on Windows, all this would do is immovably stunt the continued improvement of iOS development on macOS. There is a material degree of OS integration / cooperation in IOS development with Xcode. If Apple released a second-class development experience I’ve no doubt that you’d spare no time in making similar insinuations that it’s some sort of artificial constraint.
  - incrudible 3y ago
    XCode is a hog, if there was a supported way to develop applications without it, that would be a first class experience.
    - detourdog 3y ago
      like the xcode cli tools. all th e basic tools are there.
    - INGSOCIALITE 3y ago
      This is more than accurate. I wanted to start iOS development, but even opening Xcode is painful.
    - parski 3y ago
      Been using Xcode since 2012 and I think it's great. It has it's flaws, sure, but overall I think it's a really good development experience. What do you dislike about it?

Well, QEMU has no graphical acceleration for macOS (no virtio drivers for XNU and Quartz) so it's basically unusable - software rendering has been historically borked on macOS, and never well tested.

jeroenhd 3y ago

I can see why that would block publishing apps to the app store, but surely you can still locally develop applications in the iOS emulator?

ziftface 3y ago
I'm sure it's possible, depending on the kind of application and the tools you use to build it. But xcode won't build your application if you don't link your account. I believe it needs that to "sign" the application with apple. There may be ways to get around this but I don't of any.
- saurik 3y ago
  You can manage your signing identity entirely using Apple's website and just not use automatic provisioning. (I do that anyway even though I build on macOS as I just don't want our build system tied to Xcode just so we can use the automatic provisioning.)

EMIRELADERO 3y ago

Note that the EU's Digital Markets Act will probably stop all that bs, as requiring to use one core platform service to develop for, and distribute to, another (iOS) is against that law. Third-party app stores and outright website-based app distribution are coming next year anyway.

ziftface 3y ago
That's interesting, I did not know about this legislation. I'm not European, but it seems that even outside of Europe, people will benefit from this change.
- sofixa 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brussels_effect
tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
If Apple was compelled to support a first-class iOS development experience on Windows, all this would do is immovably stunt the continued improvement of iOS development on macOS. There is a material degree of OS integration / cooperation in IOS development with Xcode. If Apple released a second-class development experience I’ve no doubt that you’d spare no time in making similar insinuations that it’s some sort of artificial constraint.
- incrudible 3y ago
  XCode is a hog, if there was a supported way to develop applications without it, that would be a first class experience.
  - detourdog 3y ago
    like the xcode cli tools. all th e basic tools are there.
  - INGSOCIALITE 3y ago
    This is more than accurate. I wanted to start iOS development, but even opening Xcode is painful.
  - parski 3y ago
    Been using Xcode since 2012 and I think it's great. It has it's flaws, sure, but overall I think it's a really good development experience. What do you dislike about it?