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Who says you need to charge it in 10 minutes? Plug it in overnight or while you're in the office and suddenly this becomes a lot less of an issue. Sure, if you'

Who says you need to charge it in 10 minutes? Plug it in overnight or while you're in the office and suddenly this becomes a lot less of an issue. Sure, if you're going on a 1500 mile road trip and need to charge on the way you'll have a problem, but I doubt that's a very common use case.

troupo 3y ago
> Plug it in overnight or while you're in the office and suddenly this becomes a lot less of an issue. I live in an apartment building that has no charging infrastructure. Many people work from home. If everyone charges at the same time, you still have issues with "where will all this power come from"?
- glogla 3y ago
  If you live in an apartment and often work from home, you probably don't drive hundred miles every day, and as such don't need to charge the car very often. I did the math for myself, and with how far and how often I go places, I would need to charge a 400 km range Hyundai Kona about once every two to three weeks. I do have pretty favorable conditions, though (and mostly continue to use the bus).
  - troupo 3y ago
    > If you live in an apartment and often work from home, you probably don't drive hundred miles every day But people who work in offices do? > you probably don't drive hundred miles every day, and as such don't need to charge the car very often. The question of "where to charge a car" remains. > I would need to charge a 400 km range Hyundai Kona about once every two to three weeks. Let's say I have the same math. Where would I charge the car?
    - glogla 3y ago
      So we're talking about people who live in an apartment, yet far from work or in place with bad public transport so they need a long drive to work? I'm not going to claim people like that don't exist, but is it a common use case? For me, I have paid charging station right in front of my building, because the electric company recently added charging to all local substations. But for myself I would probably charge the car at free charging places in one of the nearby grocery stores, I usually stop there like once a week anyway. We're also trying to get our employer to enable charging in the office garage, but it's dragging a bit. The larger shopping mall I visit with friends for cinema also has free charging for customers. It's not that many places, and people in countryside or suburbia who can charge EVs with free electricity from solar panels have it easier, but since people in who live apartments are probably covered by public transport or can bike or whatever, and as such don't really need to drive ever day, I'm not convinced charging EVs is not solved problem right now. We'll see how it scales up.
      - troupo 3y ago
        > So we're talking about people who live in an apartment, yet far from work or in place with bad public transport so they need a long drive to work? No, we're not. We're talking about electric cars. I mean, come on. It's not even ten replies above: "Who says you need to charge it in 10 minutes? Plug it in overnight or while you're in the office and suddenly this becomes a lot less of an issue." > For me, I have paid charging station right in front of my building, because the electric company recently added charging to all local substations. But for myself I would probably charge the car at free charging places in one of the nearby grocery stores I live in a suburb of 50 000 people, we have about twenty charging stations in total. > but since people in who live apartments are probably covered by public transport or can bike or whatever, and as such don't really need to drive ever day, I'm not convinced charging EVs is not solved problem right now. So, the question of how I would charge my EV still remains.
        amanaplanacanal 3y ago
        I’m sure there are plenty of people who are currently in a situation where charging an EV would be problematic. I’m also certain that more charging infrastructure will continue to be built it over time. There should be fewer and fewer people with this problem as time goes by.
        troupo 3y ago
        I've been hearing about this for a few years now. And I'm still waiting for any change, at least where I live (Stockholm suburbs).
        mleo 3y ago
        > I live in a suburb of 50 000 people, we have about twenty charging stations in total. The infrastructure will get built in time as there is a greater need for it. Within my city of 40,00 there are probably over 100 charging stations. Though we are next to a larger metropolitan area. Most all have been added in last 4 years.
        3y ago
    - Rebelgecko 3y ago
      YMMV, but for me as someone who can't charge at home, the options are: * Charge at work (1-3kW so not always enough to fill battery, and chargers need to be shared some days... But my commute isn't long enough that I'd need a full charge every day) * While shopping at the grocery store (some by me have free charging, especially if you shop at non-peak times) * There's a few chargers attached to lampposts on my street. $2/hr at 7kW, so cheaper for me than gas. Sometimes these are ICE'd out, but parking enforcement in my city recently got the ability to enforce EV-only parking spots * Public library (free). There used to be some issues with vagrants but less so since the library got a security guard * Movie theater * Mall (the problem is that these are 350kW chargers, so the car is probably full too quickly to do any shopping) * Most of my long drives are to visit family, so they usually have a 120v plug I can use. If you're in a place where the standard voltage is higher, this is even more viable. And there's plenty of 350kW chargers along the freeways.
      - troupo 3y ago
        So, incredibly inconvenient.
        Rebelgecko 3y ago
        Not really. Unlike a gas station, those are mostly places I'd be going anyways. And even thought it takes longer, I can be doing other stuff (like my job) while charging
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troupo 3y ago

> Plug it in overnight or while you're in the office and suddenly this becomes a lot less of an issue. I live in an apartment building that has no charging infrastructure. Many people work from home. If everyone charges at the same time, you still have issues with "where will all this power come from"?

glogla 3y ago
If you live in an apartment and often work from home, you probably don't drive hundred miles every day, and as such don't need to charge the car very often. I did the math for myself, and with how far and how often I go places, I would need to charge a 400 km range Hyundai Kona about once every two to three weeks. I do have pretty favorable conditions, though (and mostly continue to use the bus).
- troupo 3y ago
  > If you live in an apartment and often work from home, you probably don't drive hundred miles every day But people who work in offices do? > you probably don't drive hundred miles every day, and as such don't need to charge the car very often. The question of "where to charge a car" remains. > I would need to charge a 400 km range Hyundai Kona about once every two to three weeks. Let's say I have the same math. Where would I charge the car?
  - glogla 3y ago
    So we're talking about people who live in an apartment, yet far from work or in place with bad public transport so they need a long drive to work? I'm not going to claim people like that don't exist, but is it a common use case? For me, I have paid charging station right in front of my building, because the electric company recently added charging to all local substations. But for myself I would probably charge the car at free charging places in one of the nearby grocery stores, I usually stop there like once a week anyway. We're also trying to get our employer to enable charging in the office garage, but it's dragging a bit. The larger shopping mall I visit with friends for cinema also has free charging for customers. It's not that many places, and people in countryside or suburbia who can charge EVs with free electricity from solar panels have it easier, but since people in who live apartments are probably covered by public transport or can bike or whatever, and as such don't really need to drive ever day, I'm not convinced charging EVs is not solved problem right now. We'll see how it scales up.
    - troupo 3y ago
      > So we're talking about people who live in an apartment, yet far from work or in place with bad public transport so they need a long drive to work? No, we're not. We're talking about electric cars. I mean, come on. It's not even ten replies above: "Who says you need to charge it in 10 minutes? Plug it in overnight or while you're in the office and suddenly this becomes a lot less of an issue." > For me, I have paid charging station right in front of my building, because the electric company recently added charging to all local substations. But for myself I would probably charge the car at free charging places in one of the nearby grocery stores I live in a suburb of 50 000 people, we have about twenty charging stations in total. > but since people in who live apartments are probably covered by public transport or can bike or whatever, and as such don't really need to drive ever day, I'm not convinced charging EVs is not solved problem right now. So, the question of how I would charge my EV still remains.
      - amanaplanacanal 3y ago
        I’m sure there are plenty of people who are currently in a situation where charging an EV would be problematic. I’m also certain that more charging infrastructure will continue to be built it over time. There should be fewer and fewer people with this problem as time goes by.
        troupo 3y ago
        I've been hearing about this for a few years now. And I'm still waiting for any change, at least where I live (Stockholm suburbs).
      - mleo 3y ago
        > I live in a suburb of 50 000 people, we have about twenty charging stations in total. The infrastructure will get built in time as there is a greater need for it. Within my city of 40,00 there are probably over 100 charging stations. Though we are next to a larger metropolitan area. Most all have been added in last 4 years.
        3y ago
  - Rebelgecko 3y ago
    YMMV, but for me as someone who can't charge at home, the options are: * Charge at work (1-3kW so not always enough to fill battery, and chargers need to be shared some days... But my commute isn't long enough that I'd need a full charge every day) * While shopping at the grocery store (some by me have free charging, especially if you shop at non-peak times) * There's a few chargers attached to lampposts on my street. $2/hr at 7kW, so cheaper for me than gas. Sometimes these are ICE'd out, but parking enforcement in my city recently got the ability to enforce EV-only parking spots * Public library (free). There used to be some issues with vagrants but less so since the library got a security guard * Movie theater * Mall (the problem is that these are 350kW chargers, so the car is probably full too quickly to do any shopping) * Most of my long drives are to visit family, so they usually have a 120v plug I can use. If you're in a place where the standard voltage is higher, this is even more viable. And there's plenty of 350kW chargers along the freeways.
    - troupo 3y ago
      So, incredibly inconvenient.
      - Rebelgecko 3y ago
        Not really. Unlike a gas station, those are mostly places I'd be going anyways. And even thought it takes longer, I can be doing other stuff (like my job) while charging
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