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Toyota already said it was around the corner in 2017[0]. Now it's 2023 and it's still around the corner. I'll believe it when I see it. [0] https://www.forbes.

by float4 3y ago

Toyota already said it was around the corner in 2017[0]. Now it's 2023 and it's still around the corner. I'll believe it when I see it. [0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2017/07/25/ultrafast-charging-solid-state-ev-batteries-around-the-corner-toyota-confirms/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/bertelschmitt/2017/07/25/ultraf...

simbolit 3y ago
HN really needs an audio player with a certain Run DMC song on loop.
- jansan 3y ago
  I did not know there is a song from Run DMC called "Two more weeks".
amadeuspagel 3y ago
> In another five years, and if a report in a Japanese newspaper is to be believed, Toyota will have the key technology for wide-spread adoption of battery-electric vehicles: Solid-state batteries with twice the range of today’s EVs, while charging only in minutes. Well, it's six years now, but that doesn't seem that much of a delay?
- simondotau 3y ago
  Toyota are still saying it's five years away. So that's a minimum of eleven years.
  - labster 3y ago
    But why get a battery car when fusion cars are just 20 years away?
    - tiffanyg 3y ago
      Hmm, I thought 2015 for fusion? https://youtu.be/xvacBzZtYag?t=1m3s https://youtu.be/xvacBzZtYag?t=1m3s There's just too much Bannon-esque "flooding the zone" these days... And now, we wait for the entirely justified downvotes (though, this thread being so AG-ED* at this point, more likely I'm just talking to myself. Again...) * https://youtu.be/V4gJfATGr9k?t=42s https://youtu.be/V4gJfATGr9k?t=42s
- Dalewyn 3y ago
  About every 3 years[1], Toyota comes around to say they have a new battery tech coming out in about 3 years. I wish this was a stupid meme, but apparently this is more reality than meme. [1]: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22960448&cid=63660976 https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22960448&cid=6...
- throw0101a 3y ago
  > Well, it's six years now, but that doesn't seem that much of a delay? If Tesla can work that way, why can't Toyota?
  - SyzygistSix 3y ago
    Tesla also released the Model Y 4 years ago and now it may outsell the Corolla this year. What do the waitlist and sales for the RAV4 or Prius Primes look like?
    - katbyte 3y ago
      likely referring to cybertuck, tesla semi, actual FSD, and all the other promises from musk that were "next year"
      - SyzygistSix 3y ago
        When things like the pandemic and disrupted supply chains happen, companies sometimes need to move in a different direction than planned. Or is Tesla's massive growth in the last few years and sales numbers not enough to convince you they might actually know what they are doing? Successful companies don't adhere to arbitrary announcements and timelines; they change plans when necessary.
        bdcravens 3y ago
        The world was hungry for EVs; Tesla had products to sell. As other options become available, their lead has shrinked over time.
        deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
    - bdcravens 3y ago
      They announced the Cybertruck that year and they still haven't delivered one, and ditto for the new Roadster 2 years prior. Tesla has demonstrated that long development cycles aren't bad, especially when creating a new tech (the Model Y is built on the Model 3 platform)
- TheRealSteel 3y ago
  The Tesla Model 3 has been out for six years. Toyota could release this tomorrow and still have alot of catching up to do.
  - sieabahlpark 3y ago
    Not really? Mileage is probably the single largest thing people care about. If they never have to go to a charger and can just do it at home then it's a win. Getting an EV with 200 miles that effectively is 120 is a joke. I couldn't even drive to and from work comfortably with that.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
      If you daily drive 60 miles (or more) each way to work, you might want to consider your life choices and what they represent. If nothing else, recognize that you're a far, far outlier and that technology and policy choices are not likely to be built around your needs & preferences.
      - ke88y 3y ago
        > you might want to consider your life choices and what they represent For most people who commute that far, their "choice" is not being able to afford rent anywhere closer where it's sufficiently safe and schools are sufficiently good. It's also a catch-22 because even if those people could live closer to work, they would then need to park on the street, which would make the range just as -- if not more -- important.
    - theshrike79 3y ago
      My EV has a WLTP of 300km. I can count with my fingers the times I've had to stop to charge it during my regular life. Half of those were just this month because I'm on my summer holiday. All other times the car is sitting and charging while I'm doing non-driving things anyway.
    - mowse_winded 3y ago
      Range is find, if charging time was equivalent to filling up a gas tank and if EV chargers were as common as gas stations.
JKCalhoun 3y ago
> Toyota already said it was around the corner... One of those "corners" that are more like a telephone pole that we keep going around.

by float4 3y ago

simbolit 3y ago

HN really needs an audio player with a certain Run DMC song on loop.

jansan 3y ago
I did not know there is a song from Run DMC called "Two more weeks".

amadeuspagel 3y ago

> In another five years, and if a report in a Japanese newspaper is to be believed, Toyota will have the key technology for wide-spread adoption of battery-electric vehicles: Solid-state batteries with twice the range of today’s EVs, while charging only in minutes. Well, it's six years now, but that doesn't seem that much of a delay?

simondotau 3y ago
Toyota are still saying it's five years away. So that's a minimum of eleven years.
- labster 3y ago
  But why get a battery car when fusion cars are just 20 years away?
  - tiffanyg 3y ago
    Hmm, I thought 2015 for fusion? https://youtu.be/xvacBzZtYag?t=1m3s https://youtu.be/xvacBzZtYag?t=1m3s There's just too much Bannon-esque "flooding the zone" these days... And now, we wait for the entirely justified downvotes (though, this thread being so AG-ED* at this point, more likely I'm just talking to myself. Again...) * https://youtu.be/V4gJfATGr9k?t=42s https://youtu.be/V4gJfATGr9k?t=42s
Dalewyn 3y ago
About every 3 years[1], Toyota comes around to say they have a new battery tech coming out in about 3 years. I wish this was a stupid meme, but apparently this is more reality than meme. [1]: https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22960448&cid=63660976 https://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=22960448&cid=6...
throw0101a 3y ago
> Well, it's six years now, but that doesn't seem that much of a delay? If Tesla can work that way, why can't Toyota?
- SyzygistSix 3y ago
  Tesla also released the Model Y 4 years ago and now it may outsell the Corolla this year. What do the waitlist and sales for the RAV4 or Prius Primes look like?
  - katbyte 3y ago
    likely referring to cybertuck, tesla semi, actual FSD, and all the other promises from musk that were "next year"
    - SyzygistSix 3y ago
      When things like the pandemic and disrupted supply chains happen, companies sometimes need to move in a different direction than planned. Or is Tesla's massive growth in the last few years and sales numbers not enough to convince you they might actually know what they are doing? Successful companies don't adhere to arbitrary announcements and timelines; they change plans when necessary.
      - bdcravens 3y ago
        The world was hungry for EVs; Tesla had products to sell. As other options become available, their lead has shrinked over time.
      - deleted 3y ago
        [deleted]
  - bdcravens 3y ago
    They announced the Cybertruck that year and they still haven't delivered one, and ditto for the new Roadster 2 years prior. Tesla has demonstrated that long development cycles aren't bad, especially when creating a new tech (the Model Y is built on the Model 3 platform)
TheRealSteel 3y ago
The Tesla Model 3 has been out for six years. Toyota could release this tomorrow and still have alot of catching up to do.
- sieabahlpark 3y ago
  Not really? Mileage is probably the single largest thing people care about. If they never have to go to a charger and can just do it at home then it's a win. Getting an EV with 200 miles that effectively is 120 is a joke. I couldn't even drive to and from work comfortably with that.
  - PaulDavisThe1st 3y ago
    If you daily drive 60 miles (or more) each way to work, you might want to consider your life choices and what they represent. If nothing else, recognize that you're a far, far outlier and that technology and policy choices are not likely to be built around your needs & preferences.
    - ke88y 3y ago
      > you might want to consider your life choices and what they represent For most people who commute that far, their "choice" is not being able to afford rent anywhere closer where it's sufficiently safe and schools are sufficiently good. It's also a catch-22 because even if those people could live closer to work, they would then need to park on the street, which would make the range just as -- if not more -- important.
  - theshrike79 3y ago
    My EV has a WLTP of 300km. I can count with my fingers the times I've had to stop to charge it during my regular life. Half of those were just this month because I'm on my summer holiday. All other times the car is sitting and charging while I'm doing non-driving things anyway.
  - mowse_winded 3y ago
    Range is find, if charging time was equivalent to filling up a gas tank and if EV chargers were as common as gas stations.

JKCalhoun 3y ago

> Toyota already said it was around the corner... One of those "corners" that are more like a telephone pole that we keep going around.