I really liked the interview with the three scientists in the "Decoding the Gurus" podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interview-with-worobey-anderse

I really liked the interview with the three scientists in the "Decoding the Gurus" podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interview-with-worobey-andersen-holmes-the-lab-leak/id1531266667?i=1000603693959 https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interview-with-worobey... (Interview starts roughly 33 min into the episode).