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Evidence for a Large Anomalous Nuclear Explosions in Mars Past J.E. Brandenburg https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/eposter/2660.pdf https://www.hou.usr

Evidence for a Large Anomalous Nuclear Explosions in Mars Past J.E. Brandenburg https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/eposter/2660.pdf https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/eposter/2660.pdf

rationalist 3y ago
That was interesting until the last slide which had pictures of "objects" imaged on mars. At least one of those images has been debunked (random elevations creating coincidentally-interesting shadows). If that slide was a joke, they should have made it obvious for those looking at the slides without context of a presentation.
- Pompidou 3y ago
  " The new images of the Face at Cydonia Mensa confirm eyes, nose, mouth, helmet structure with additional detail of nostrils and helmet ornaments being clearly seen in new images with details at approximately 1/10 scale of the face. New imagery confirms the pyramid structure seen in Viking images of the The D&M pyramid and new high resolution images show evidence of collapsed brickwork. New images of a face found at Galaxias Chaos (the Utopia site) confirms facial structure with eyes, nose, mouth and helmet. High resolution imagery shows symmetric brickwork around the nose region. The civilization appears to have been primitive and indigenous to Mars. Taken together, the evidence suggests that Mars was the locale of a planetary nuclear massacre." John E.Brandenburg https://www.tsijournals.com/abstract/evidence-of-massive-thermonuclear-explosions-on-mars-in-the-past-the-cydonian-hypothesis-and-fermis-paradox-new-data-2731.html https://www.tsijournals.com/abstract/evidence-of-massive-the...
  - giantrobot 3y ago
    That's some industrial grade apophenia, pareidolia, and good old fashioned cognitive dissonance. The MSSS imagery makes it very plane that the Cydonian face is just a hill. But no, they put some white arrows pointing to nothing and claim it's evidence of a made up thing.
    - Pompidou 3y ago
      > That's some industrial grade apophenia In this case, that's some industrial grade bullshit !
    - StackOverlord 3y ago
      Then let's make some industrial grade apophenia machine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xOGeZt71sg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xOGeZt71sg https://youtu.be/0Y8v3X6Oft4 https://youtu.be/0Y8v3X6Oft4 I'd be really interested in generating on the fly numerical apophenia like those. In fact I dabbled into doing exactly that using GPT to code a python script. I ran L-BFGS-B on a unit pyramid to optimize its basic dimensions (height, base-length, set to 1 initially) so that it matches the pyramid equations [1]. As a result I get the pyramid's actual dimensions. My synthetic pyramid is slightly better than the actual pyramid when it comes to matching the "pyramid equations". I know this is tautological, yet when I observe the actual pyramid dimensions and where it fits on the gradient magnitude graph my script[2] provides, it falls right when the gradient becomes almost flat. That made me want to explore further, and I attempted to come up with my own crackpot equations using symbolic regression/genetic programming[3]. The ultimate goal: a VR app, let's call it the "conspiracy lens". [1]https://tobeornottobe.org/the-great-pyramid-intro/math-constants/ https://tobeornottobe.org/the-great-pyramid-intro/math-const... [2]https://pastebin.com/TsUtcWAa https://pastebin.com/TsUtcWAa [3]https://pastebin.com/9CEU76K6 https://pastebin.com/9CEU76K6 There's a field studying this kind of stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance_theory And look what I found: https://journals.openedition.org/tipa/3068 https://journals.openedition.org/tipa/3068 – Louis de Saussure & Tim Wharton, 2019 Seems like the de Saussure family still has a very robust scientific tradition. The most famous of the de Saussure, Ferdinand, founder of synchronic linguistics, got trapped into an apophenia trap with his theory of "hypograms" underlying saturnian verses. More at https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/sem-2016-0158/html https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/sem-2016-0158...
joe_the_user 3y ago
And J.E. Brandenburg's arguments are treated here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Brandenburg https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Brandenburg

Evidence for a Large Anomalous Nuclear Explosions in Mars Past J.E. Brandenburg https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/eposter/2660.pdf https://www.hou.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2015/eposter/2660.pdf

rationalist 3y ago

That was interesting until the last slide which had pictures of "objects" imaged on mars. At least one of those images has been debunked (random elevations creating coincidentally-interesting shadows). If that slide was a joke, they should have made it obvious for those looking at the slides without context of a presentation.

Pompidou 3y ago
" The new images of the Face at Cydonia Mensa confirm eyes, nose, mouth, helmet structure with additional detail of nostrils and helmet ornaments being clearly seen in new images with details at approximately 1/10 scale of the face. New imagery confirms the pyramid structure seen in Viking images of the The D&M pyramid and new high resolution images show evidence of collapsed brickwork. New images of a face found at Galaxias Chaos (the Utopia site) confirms facial structure with eyes, nose, mouth and helmet. High resolution imagery shows symmetric brickwork around the nose region. The civilization appears to have been primitive and indigenous to Mars. Taken together, the evidence suggests that Mars was the locale of a planetary nuclear massacre." John E.Brandenburg https://www.tsijournals.com/abstract/evidence-of-massive-thermonuclear-explosions-on-mars-in-the-past-the-cydonian-hypothesis-and-fermis-paradox-new-data-2731.html https://www.tsijournals.com/abstract/evidence-of-massive-the...
- giantrobot 3y ago
  That's some industrial grade apophenia, pareidolia, and good old fashioned cognitive dissonance. The MSSS imagery makes it very plane that the Cydonian face is just a hill. But no, they put some white arrows pointing to nothing and claim it's evidence of a made up thing.
  - Pompidou 3y ago
    > That's some industrial grade apophenia In this case, that's some industrial grade bullshit !
  - StackOverlord 3y ago
    Then let's make some industrial grade apophenia machine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xOGeZt71sg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xOGeZt71sg https://youtu.be/0Y8v3X6Oft4 https://youtu.be/0Y8v3X6Oft4 I'd be really interested in generating on the fly numerical apophenia like those. In fact I dabbled into doing exactly that using GPT to code a python script. I ran L-BFGS-B on a unit pyramid to optimize its basic dimensions (height, base-length, set to 1 initially) so that it matches the pyramid equations [1]. As a result I get the pyramid's actual dimensions. My synthetic pyramid is slightly better than the actual pyramid when it comes to matching the "pyramid equations". I know this is tautological, yet when I observe the actual pyramid dimensions and where it fits on the gradient magnitude graph my script[2] provides, it falls right when the gradient becomes almost flat. That made me want to explore further, and I attempted to come up with my own crackpot equations using symbolic regression/genetic programming[3]. The ultimate goal: a VR app, let's call it the "conspiracy lens". [1]https://tobeornottobe.org/the-great-pyramid-intro/math-constants/ https://tobeornottobe.org/the-great-pyramid-intro/math-const... [2]https://pastebin.com/TsUtcWAa https://pastebin.com/TsUtcWAa [3]https://pastebin.com/9CEU76K6 https://pastebin.com/9CEU76K6 There's a field studying this kind of stuff: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relevance_theory And look what I found: https://journals.openedition.org/tipa/3068 https://journals.openedition.org/tipa/3068 – Louis de Saussure & Tim Wharton, 2019 Seems like the de Saussure family still has a very robust scientific tradition. The most famous of the de Saussure, Ferdinand, founder of synchronic linguistics, got trapped into an apophenia trap with his theory of "hypograms" underlying saturnian verses. More at https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/sem-2016-0158/html https://www.degruyter.com/document/doi/10.1515/sem-2016-0158...

joe_the_user 3y ago

And J.E. Brandenburg's arguments are treated here: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Brandenburg https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Brandenburg