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The earth is in the final stages at the end of an ice age. It's weird, but for some reason people can't seem to recognize this fact. We exited a major glaci

The earth is in the final stages at the end of an ice age. It's weird, but for some reason people can't seem to recognize this fact. We exited a major glacial period and have been, for 11000 years, ending an ice age (a period with glacial ice at both polar regions). CURRENTLY, the period of time we are living in, is considered interglacial despite glaciers still covering significant portions of earth. The expectation is a return to major glaciation. This would be horrible. It is also the predominant condition throughout the history of earth.

Timon3 3y ago
> It's weird, but for some reason people can't seem to recognize this fact. Who is not recognizing that fact? Where people are disagreeing with - and you've heard this before, don't act like this is new - is that us leaving an ice age doesn't explain the rapid rise in temperature we're experiencing. Previous ice ages haven't ended this abruptly. So what does your comment add here? People keep throwing in things like this as if it was an actual insight instead of a distraction.
- upsidesinclude 3y ago
  Please provide some actual insight then. The state of climate will not have a direct effect on your life, the span of years you are alive. Not to a significant degree. It can have an indirect effect on your life by the introduction of harmful regressive policies designed to "account" for a changing climate and assign blame to everyday people. Everyday people do not cause any of the drivers of climate change. Large corporations, governments and militaries do cause these drivers. So what I'm adding here is sense. It makes no sense to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class when it is clear there will not be global cooperation in addressing climate change. To be clear we are talking about the fact that BRICs will not cripple their growth and economy for the sake of this guilt complex. Most countries can't even make a measurable change in comparison to these groups.
  - Timon3 3y ago
    > The state of climate will not have a direct effect on your life, the span of years you are alive. Not to a significant degree. The state of the climate already has a direct effect on my life by making summers way hotter than normal. I hate the warm temperatures over weeks, and my grandparents literally haven't known these kinds of summers until the last couple of years. This wouldn't have shifted so fast if it was just the exit of the ice age. And that's just me disliking warmth. There are people living in areas that now literally are getting too hot for humans, which they weren't previously. There are people living through catastrophes which most likely would have been less severe if not for climate change. > It can have an indirect effect on your life by the introduction of harmful regressive policies designed to "account" for a changing climate and assign blame to everyday people. It's having a worse effect just by itself! > Everyday people do not cause any of the drivers of climate change. Large corporations, governments and militaries do cause these drivers. And to work towards that fact you spread climate change denial in the form of "we're just exiting an ice age"? > So what I'm adding here is sense. You're adding lies.
    - upsidesinclude 3y ago
      >that's just me disliking warmth Yes it is and your anecdotes don't mean much. You are saying the winters are less severe. The growing season is longer and it is generally more habitable. >people living through catastrophes which most likely would have been less severe if not for climate change. Disentangle some emotion from the facts. People are dying less than ever before due to catastrophes. People that die from natural disaster today, largely have encroached on land that was always disaster prone and built massive infrastructure. The cost of natural disasters today is a direct result of populating and constructing in areas that are prone to tornadoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, fire and flooding. It is almost completely preventable. >you spread climate change denial False. This is a blatant lie as my comment states clearly, I believe the climate is changing. We are exiting an ice age. The solutions promoted by people like yourself, are going to cause greater harm than good because you choose to believe the climate should not change! Yes, you who choose to make foolish argument and use phrases like "climate change denial". Yes, you are in denial that the climate is allowed to change. 'The weather should be just the way it was when my grandparents remember the good old days' -you No, sorry it is you and your internal strife with change that is the problem. Petition the government to change the ways companies and militaries pollute the environment. Leave the rest of us alone with your carbon tax bullshit that we must pay for.

Timon3 3y ago

> It's weird, but for some reason people can't seem to recognize this fact. Who is not recognizing that fact? Where people are disagreeing with - and you've heard this before, don't act like this is new - is that us leaving an ice age doesn't explain the rapid rise in temperature we're experiencing. Previous ice ages haven't ended this abruptly. So what does your comment add here? People keep throwing in things like this as if it was an actual insight instead of a distraction.

upsidesinclude 3y ago
Please provide some actual insight then. The state of climate will not have a direct effect on your life, the span of years you are alive. Not to a significant degree. It can have an indirect effect on your life by the introduction of harmful regressive policies designed to "account" for a changing climate and assign blame to everyday people. Everyday people do not cause any of the drivers of climate change. Large corporations, governments and militaries do cause these drivers. So what I'm adding here is sense. It makes no sense to cripple an economy and destroy the middle class when it is clear there will not be global cooperation in addressing climate change. To be clear we are talking about the fact that BRICs will not cripple their growth and economy for the sake of this guilt complex. Most countries can't even make a measurable change in comparison to these groups.
- Timon3 3y ago
  > The state of climate will not have a direct effect on your life, the span of years you are alive. Not to a significant degree. The state of the climate already has a direct effect on my life by making summers way hotter than normal. I hate the warm temperatures over weeks, and my grandparents literally haven't known these kinds of summers until the last couple of years. This wouldn't have shifted so fast if it was just the exit of the ice age. And that's just me disliking warmth. There are people living in areas that now literally are getting too hot for humans, which they weren't previously. There are people living through catastrophes which most likely would have been less severe if not for climate change. > It can have an indirect effect on your life by the introduction of harmful regressive policies designed to "account" for a changing climate and assign blame to everyday people. It's having a worse effect just by itself! > Everyday people do not cause any of the drivers of climate change. Large corporations, governments and militaries do cause these drivers. And to work towards that fact you spread climate change denial in the form of "we're just exiting an ice age"? > So what I'm adding here is sense. You're adding lies.
  - upsidesinclude 3y ago
    >that's just me disliking warmth Yes it is and your anecdotes don't mean much. You are saying the winters are less severe. The growing season is longer and it is generally more habitable. >people living through catastrophes which most likely would have been less severe if not for climate change. Disentangle some emotion from the facts. People are dying less than ever before due to catastrophes. People that die from natural disaster today, largely have encroached on land that was always disaster prone and built massive infrastructure. The cost of natural disasters today is a direct result of populating and constructing in areas that are prone to tornadoes, tsunamis, earthquakes, fire and flooding. It is almost completely preventable. >you spread climate change denial False. This is a blatant lie as my comment states clearly, I believe the climate is changing. We are exiting an ice age. The solutions promoted by people like yourself, are going to cause greater harm than good because you choose to believe the climate should not change! Yes, you who choose to make foolish argument and use phrases like "climate change denial". Yes, you are in denial that the climate is allowed to change. 'The weather should be just the way it was when my grandparents remember the good old days' -you No, sorry it is you and your internal strife with change that is the problem. Petition the government to change the ways companies and militaries pollute the environment. Leave the rest of us alone with your carbon tax bullshit that we must pay for.