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One thing I don't understand is how can Bluesky pretend to be more open than Twitter when it's been months and it's still an invite-only closed garden?

redsolver 3y ago
Well, for one you can download all data on the network (posts, likes, follows, ...) using a free public API, even in real-time. If you want to try Bluesky without an invite code, you can run your own PDS (personal data server) today and federate with the official sandbox network, there are already 100 servers doing that: https://atscan.net/pds https://atscan.net/pds
- RobotToaster 3y ago
  Judging by how they can apparently wipe all the data and remove people from the network on a whim, it doesn't seem very decentralised.
  - devttyeu 3y ago
    You can download and keep your data and keep a backup, it's all content-addressed (like git repos), and just upload to another instance Like moving from GitHub to GitLab. Each instance then has its own moderation policies, again, kind of like GitHub. But your identity is still your identity, and you can keep a copy of your data.
    - spiderice 3y ago
      > You can download and keep your data and keep a backup > and you can keep a copy of your data Is this really a selling point / concern for anyone? I’ve never heard anyone express that the problem with tradition social media is that they can’t download and keep a backup of their data. Its about a central corporation being able to decide what is allowed to be said.
      - devttyeu 3y ago
        That specifically is not the selling point, but it is how one of the selling points works. You can just take your data to another instance whenever you don’t agree with the policies of your current one. And all your connections/interactions/data should stay intact. If it works as well as it seems to in the federation sandbox, you shouldn’t even be able to tell that you’re using a different service, the app just sends requests to a different server, and the web url may be different, and your default feeds are generated somewhere else. Now, you may say that users won’t care about backing up their data, but that can be solved with some open (or paid) archival services.
      - afiori 3y ago
        It is not about backups but about transferability of content and identity
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    As far as I know, It's not decentralised at all at the moment. But do you have more info on this wiping data and removing people claim? All I've seen is people pissy because someone wasn't banned for something rather minor.
    - RobotToaster 3y ago
      https://atproto.com/blog/federation-developer-sandbox https://atproto.com/blog/federation-developer-sandbox >Given that this is a testing environment, we will be defederating from any instances that do not abide by these guidelines >As part of the sandbox, we will be doing routine wipes of all network data. It seems like it's centralised on a single "Big Graph Service", even if you run your own server.
that_guy_iain 3y ago
Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught of new users and wants to onboard slowly which makes sense from a development point of view. The issue is, it's basically dead or just full of shitposts. Which has no real value. And the number of people who want on it aren't actually that high, I've got 3 invites and no one to invite.
- tambourine_man 3y ago
  > I've got 3 invites and no one to invite. Hi :)
  - that_guy_iain 3y ago
    Need an email or something to send it to. Otherwise you could just lose it to someone else if I just paste the invite code here.
    - deleted 3y ago
      [deleted]
    - tambourine_man 3y ago
      tambourine.man.hn at Google’s famous email service.
      - that_guy_iain 3y ago
        Sent
        tambourine_man 3y ago
        Thanks! :)
madeofpalk 3y ago
It doesn’t. Bluesky is not “launched”. It’s nowhere near done. It has the potential to be, once it’s finished. But it’s not finished yet.

redsolver 3y ago

Well, for one you can download all data on the network (posts, likes, follows, ...) using a free public API, even in real-time. If you want to try Bluesky without an invite code, you can run your own PDS (personal data server) today and federate with the official sandbox network, there are already 100 servers doing that: https://atscan.net/pds https://atscan.net/pds

RobotToaster 3y ago
Judging by how they can apparently wipe all the data and remove people from the network on a whim, it doesn't seem very decentralised.
- devttyeu 3y ago
  You can download and keep your data and keep a backup, it's all content-addressed (like git repos), and just upload to another instance Like moving from GitHub to GitLab. Each instance then has its own moderation policies, again, kind of like GitHub. But your identity is still your identity, and you can keep a copy of your data.
  - spiderice 3y ago
    > You can download and keep your data and keep a backup > and you can keep a copy of your data Is this really a selling point / concern for anyone? I’ve never heard anyone express that the problem with tradition social media is that they can’t download and keep a backup of their data. Its about a central corporation being able to decide what is allowed to be said.
    - devttyeu 3y ago
      That specifically is not the selling point, but it is how one of the selling points works. You can just take your data to another instance whenever you don’t agree with the policies of your current one. And all your connections/interactions/data should stay intact. If it works as well as it seems to in the federation sandbox, you shouldn’t even be able to tell that you’re using a different service, the app just sends requests to a different server, and the web url may be different, and your default feeds are generated somewhere else. Now, you may say that users won’t care about backing up their data, but that can be solved with some open (or paid) archival services.
    - afiori 3y ago
      It is not about backups but about transferability of content and identity
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  As far as I know, It's not decentralised at all at the moment. But do you have more info on this wiping data and removing people claim? All I've seen is people pissy because someone wasn't banned for something rather minor.
  - RobotToaster 3y ago
    https://atproto.com/blog/federation-developer-sandbox https://atproto.com/blog/federation-developer-sandbox >Given that this is a testing environment, we will be defederating from any instances that do not abide by these guidelines >As part of the sandbox, we will be doing routine wipes of all network data. It seems like it's centralised on a single "Big Graph Service", even if you run your own server.

that_guy_iain 3y ago

Well, it's still under a massive amount of development. Most basic features aren't there. Such as I can't change my email I used when I signed up. This is an issue for people since I typo'd it when I signed up. You can't change your password, you can create new app passwords. Since these are super basic features, it kinda shows how all the other stuff are. Realistically, I don't think it could handle a full enslaught of new users and wants to onboard slowly which makes sense from a development point of view. The issue is, it's basically dead or just full of shitposts. Which has no real value. And the number of people who want on it aren't actually that high, I've got 3 invites and no one to invite.

tambourine_man 3y ago
> I've got 3 invites and no one to invite. Hi :)
- that_guy_iain 3y ago
  Need an email or something to send it to. Otherwise you could just lose it to someone else if I just paste the invite code here.
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - tambourine_man 3y ago
    tambourine.man.hn at Google’s famous email service.
    - that_guy_iain 3y ago
      Sent
      - tambourine_man 3y ago
        Thanks! :)

madeofpalk 3y ago

It doesn’t. Bluesky is not “launched”. It’s nowhere near done. It has the potential to be, once it’s finished. But it’s not finished yet.