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> You actually want to drop ballast as you descend, to make up for the added seawater. The ballast is dropped during the ascension, not the descent. This make

> You actually want to drop ballast as you descend, to make up for the added seawater. The ballast is dropped during the ascension, not the descent. This makes the ascension-step impossible to fail and requires no electricity [1]. Incidentally, I first came to know about the bathyscaphe while reading Peter Watts's Rifters trilogy (which is an amazing hard SF series set in the deep sea). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathyscaphe#Mode_of_operation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathyscaphe#Mode_of_operation

elzbardico 3y ago
The document says otherwise. As gasoline is slightly compressible, seawater is admitted in the float during the dive, increasing negative buoyancy, and increasing the rate of descent. So, to control the rate of decent, some ballast is released during diving too.
Cerium 3y ago
Ballast is dropped during both descent and assent. The linked document explains how the gasoline used for buoyancy is significantly compressible and becomes denser as the bathyscaphe descends. If no ballast was dropped during descent the rate of descent would continue to increase due to the feedback mechanism of increased pressure, leading to increased compression, leading to increased density.
- a4isms 3y ago
  FWIW you don’t need a bathyscape to experiment with this. When Scuba diving in temperate locations (like Tobermory, Ontario), people with 7mm wet suits and extra vests or jackets experience this as they descend: The neoprene compresses, and if you don’t add small amounts of buoyancy to your BCD, you’ll start to free-fall.
  - jacquesm 3y ago
    It's Tobermory. Absolutely beautiful area, so many birds. I went camping there several times. It's also pretty much the end of the world, the only way through is by ferry.
    - a4isms 3y ago
      You’re correct, no “e.” Thanks! The diving in Five Fathoms Marine Park is exquisite, and it’s a short drive from Lion’s Head, which has absolutely stellar rock climbing.[1] We’ve taken the kids on the ferry to Manitoulin Island[2], and from there driven over to Sudbury. I recommend trying that ferry at least once, it was a lovely experience. [1]: https://www.thecrag.com/en/climbing/canada/lions-head https://www.thecrag.com/en/climbing/canada/lions-head [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitoulin_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitoulin_Island
  - dtgriscom 3y ago
    Isn't the neoprene air-containing foam, and it's the air that compresses? (Not that that negates your point...)
    - itishappy 3y ago
      Absolutely, but that air is still an integral part of the foam, right? I think it's fair to say they both compress. Neoprene is a closed-cell foam. An open-cell foam (like a dish sponge) would not compress as air/water can just flow through.
  - itishappy 3y ago
    You can experienced this in pools! 12ft of water adds an extra 1/3 atmosphere of pressure, compressing the gas in your body by 25%. (That's why your ears pop!) By varying the amount of air in your lungs, you can choose which depth to be neutrally buoyant at. Weirdly fun!
    - eternityforest 3y ago
      Or at least, you can if you don't sink instantly at any depth!
babypuncher 3y ago
Some steel shot ballast was jettisoned to slow the descent. They didn't want to crash into the floor and damage the pressure hull.

elzbardico 3y ago

The document says otherwise. As gasoline is slightly compressible, seawater is admitted in the float during the dive, increasing negative buoyancy, and increasing the rate of descent. So, to control the rate of decent, some ballast is released during diving too.

Cerium 3y ago

Ballast is dropped during both descent and assent. The linked document explains how the gasoline used for buoyancy is significantly compressible and becomes denser as the bathyscaphe descends. If no ballast was dropped during descent the rate of descent would continue to increase due to the feedback mechanism of increased pressure, leading to increased compression, leading to increased density.

a4isms 3y ago
FWIW you don’t need a bathyscape to experiment with this. When Scuba diving in temperate locations (like Tobermory, Ontario), people with 7mm wet suits and extra vests or jackets experience this as they descend: The neoprene compresses, and if you don’t add small amounts of buoyancy to your BCD, you’ll start to free-fall.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  It's Tobermory. Absolutely beautiful area, so many birds. I went camping there several times. It's also pretty much the end of the world, the only way through is by ferry.
  - a4isms 3y ago
    You’re correct, no “e.” Thanks! The diving in Five Fathoms Marine Park is exquisite, and it’s a short drive from Lion’s Head, which has absolutely stellar rock climbing.[1] We’ve taken the kids on the ferry to Manitoulin Island[2], and from there driven over to Sudbury. I recommend trying that ferry at least once, it was a lovely experience. [1]: https://www.thecrag.com/en/climbing/canada/lions-head https://www.thecrag.com/en/climbing/canada/lions-head [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitoulin_Island https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manitoulin_Island
- dtgriscom 3y ago
  Isn't the neoprene air-containing foam, and it's the air that compresses? (Not that that negates your point...)
  - itishappy 3y ago
    Absolutely, but that air is still an integral part of the foam, right? I think it's fair to say they both compress. Neoprene is a closed-cell foam. An open-cell foam (like a dish sponge) would not compress as air/water can just flow through.
- itishappy 3y ago
  You can experienced this in pools! 12ft of water adds an extra 1/3 atmosphere of pressure, compressing the gas in your body by 25%. (That's why your ears pop!) By varying the amount of air in your lungs, you can choose which depth to be neutrally buoyant at. Weirdly fun!
  - eternityforest 3y ago
    Or at least, you can if you don't sink instantly at any depth!

babypuncher 3y ago

Some steel shot ballast was jettisoned to slow the descent. They didn't want to crash into the floor and damage the pressure hull.