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You have a source for any of that? Speaking personally, everyone I’ve spoken to on the matter (myself included) have zero desire to return to a traditional off

You have a source for any of that? Speaking personally, everyone I’ve spoken to on the matter (myself included) have zero desire to return to a traditional office.

losteric 3y ago
Are you referring to individual employees or the companies? Clearly many companies are mandating RTO despite remote/self-determined hybrid supported by a strong majority of employee sentiment (and often performance data)
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VirusNewbie 3y ago
I like going to the office, i know many people who prefer it.
RestlessMind 3y ago
Heh, you ask for a source and then just provide a personal anecdote?
lynx23 3y ago
How many people do you know? When WFH was mandated, I hated it. When the mandate was finally kicked, I loved going back to the office, and have spent almost every workday at the office, despite having the possibility to do 40% WFH if I wanted. No, I don't want that, thank you. Not a coder, working as admin. I like people, that is why I work in an office. And personal experience is definitely that working together with people who are currently at home usually slows down processes quite a bit. Besides, sometimes, WFH-people are just not reachable, because reasons... Daughter has sneezed the first time, or wife has decided she needs to go for her yoga class and coworker suddenly needs to care for a 4-year-old... And, god forbid, if you ever say anything when these blatantly shameless things happen, you are the bad guy.
- oregano 3y ago
  > Not a coder, working as admin The working environment which is conducive to a successful developer vs a successful admin are, most likely (in my experience), two completely different environments.
- thegrumpyenby 3y ago
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  - HelloNurse 3y ago
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    - lynx23 3y ago
      Nah, admin of course means rapist, didn't you know? WFH-advocates turning to "arguments" like your post is one reason why I oppose this new trend of entitlement. You people really think you are on top of the world and everyone has to dance to your tunes, right? I hope the market will fix this. Go and find a WFH company that lets you slack-off from home all day long. And then, shut up!
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      - HelloNurse 3y ago
        I'm afraid you just appear 1) pathologically envious enough to punish people because they work from home 2) motivated by ordering colleagues around, which becomes harder if not in person 3) unable to appreciate the comfort of working from home and the importance of having a life. Do you, as an "admin", feel entitled to be "on top of the world"? Everyone has to dance to your tunes, right?
  - lynx23 3y ago
    Sure, as a disabled person, I totally like it when abled-body people like you call me "ableist", that is so funny that I almost forget how shitty that move is. Yes, you didnt know, I know, but, keep disability out of your arguments please, people with real disabilities will thank you for that. And there is a difference between "care duties" and the "papa is at home so we can pester him with family stuff all day long". We have 2 weeks of extra leave for parents, they already have extra priviledges compared to non-parents. If someone declares a few days off because they have to fix something important with their family, that is fine and never was an issue. But WFH people suddenly realizing at 10 AM that they can not be bothered to work for the next 3 hours is definitely unfair and overstretching the priviledges.
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
I guess I’m one who likes the office. Not every day. But frequently. And I think I could build a culture with in-office time that would out-compete a remote-only competitor, domestic only or offshore hybrid.
- tilne 3y ago
  What part of this culture would make it more competitive than any remote-only equivalent? And how would you build it?
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > What part of this culture would make it more competitive than any remote-only equivalent? Hiring, the same way RO outfits can access unique talent, and information transfer, particularly to newer team members. Also, in industries where over-documentation is an unnecessary liability.
benjismith 3y ago
I'm a software engineer, and I think the fully remote-work culture can often be less personally fulfilling. I enjoy going to an office, having a change of scenery, interacting with people (both close friends and casual acquaintances), brainstorming ideas with a small group around a whiteboard, getting lunch with colleagues, etc, etc... Sure, the "writing code" part of the job is easier when there are fewer distractions. And a crowded open office can be an annoying source of distractions. And I definitely enjoy having lunch more often with my family, or hanging out with the dogs, or sitting out on my deck under the trees while I read my morning email. But working in an office was nice too, and I miss it.
alistairSH 3y ago
A source for companies rolling out return-to-office plans? It's all over the news. Not sure what you're asking.

You have a source for any of that? Speaking personally, everyone I’ve spoken to on the matter (myself included) have zero desire to return to a traditional office.

losteric 3y ago

Are you referring to individual employees or the companies? Clearly many companies are mandating RTO despite remote/self-determined hybrid supported by a strong majority of employee sentiment (and often performance data)

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VirusNewbie 3y ago

I like going to the office, i know many people who prefer it.

RestlessMind 3y ago

Heh, you ask for a source and then just provide a personal anecdote?

lynx23 3y ago

How many people do you know? When WFH was mandated, I hated it. When the mandate was finally kicked, I loved going back to the office, and have spent almost every workday at the office, despite having the possibility to do 40% WFH if I wanted. No, I don't want that, thank you. Not a coder, working as admin. I like people, that is why I work in an office. And personal experience is definitely that working together with people who are currently at home usually slows down processes quite a bit. Besides, sometimes, WFH-people are just not reachable, because reasons... Daughter has sneezed the first time, or wife has decided she needs to go for her yoga class and coworker suddenly needs to care for a 4-year-old... And, god forbid, if you ever say anything when these blatantly shameless things happen, you are the bad guy.

oregano 3y ago
> Not a coder, working as admin The working environment which is conducive to a successful developer vs a successful admin are, most likely (in my experience), two completely different environments.
thegrumpyenby 3y ago
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- HelloNurse 3y ago
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  - lynx23 3y ago
    Nah, admin of course means rapist, didn't you know? WFH-advocates turning to "arguments" like your post is one reason why I oppose this new trend of entitlement. You people really think you are on top of the world and everyone has to dance to your tunes, right? I hope the market will fix this. Go and find a WFH company that lets you slack-off from home all day long. And then, shut up!
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    - HelloNurse 3y ago
      I'm afraid you just appear 1) pathologically envious enough to punish people because they work from home 2) motivated by ordering colleagues around, which becomes harder if not in person 3) unable to appreciate the comfort of working from home and the importance of having a life. Do you, as an "admin", feel entitled to be "on top of the world"? Everyone has to dance to your tunes, right?
- lynx23 3y ago
  Sure, as a disabled person, I totally like it when abled-body people like you call me "ableist", that is so funny that I almost forget how shitty that move is. Yes, you didnt know, I know, but, keep disability out of your arguments please, people with real disabilities will thank you for that. And there is a difference between "care duties" and the "papa is at home so we can pester him with family stuff all day long". We have 2 weeks of extra leave for parents, they already have extra priviledges compared to non-parents. If someone declares a few days off because they have to fix something important with their family, that is fine and never was an issue. But WFH people suddenly realizing at 10 AM that they can not be bothered to work for the next 3 hours is definitely unfair and overstretching the priviledges.

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

I guess I’m one who likes the office. Not every day. But frequently. And I think I could build a culture with in-office time that would out-compete a remote-only competitor, domestic only or offshore hybrid.

tilne 3y ago
What part of this culture would make it more competitive than any remote-only equivalent? And how would you build it?
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > What part of this culture would make it more competitive than any remote-only equivalent? Hiring, the same way RO outfits can access unique talent, and information transfer, particularly to newer team members. Also, in industries where over-documentation is an unnecessary liability.

benjismith 3y ago

I'm a software engineer, and I think the fully remote-work culture can often be less personally fulfilling. I enjoy going to an office, having a change of scenery, interacting with people (both close friends and casual acquaintances), brainstorming ideas with a small group around a whiteboard, getting lunch with colleagues, etc, etc... Sure, the "writing code" part of the job is easier when there are fewer distractions. And a crowded open office can be an annoying source of distractions. And I definitely enjoy having lunch more often with my family, or hanging out with the dogs, or sitting out on my deck under the trees while I read my morning email. But working in an office was nice too, and I miss it.

alistairSH 3y ago

A source for companies rolling out return-to-office plans? It's all over the news. Not sure what you're asking.