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Is everyone on HN running their computers in some parallel universe where apps are running 10X slower than my computer?

fbdab103 3y ago
No, but on the other hand, I do have some glimmer of hope that eventually someone at Microsoft will see these kinds of comments and do something to fix that abomination. I have no doubt Microsoft employs many very talented people, but none of them seem to be working on the user facing products which make my corporate laptop run so poorly (Teams or OneDrive).
- re-thc 3y ago
  To be fair, it has already improved a lot. They are doing something whether they see your comment or not.
- Clamchop 3y ago
  They've transitioned the consumer client from Electron to Edge WebView, Angular to React, and the same for the enterprise application appears to be in public preview and slated for general availability later this year. Still web tech but it's supposed to address some of the memory and performance problems. So I think they've known how unpleasant Teams is! https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/03/27/welcome-to-the-new-era-of-microsoft-teams/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/03/2...
  - imperialdrive 3y ago
    T2 is much worse that version 1, I'm sorry to say because I really really want to like Teams since I'm forced to use it for work.
    - Clamchop 3y ago
      Don't tell me that, I want to believe in the dream. :/
  - fbdab103 3y ago
    Highlighting the 9 second startup time does not bolster confidence.
    - Klinky 3y ago
      Yes, appreciate the transparency, but it's kind of embarrassing "22 second launch time" was considered acceptable for so long, and "more than twice as fast" now means "almost a 10 second launch time".
      - Clamchop 3y ago
        Yeah it is something but as an app that usually runs at startup, I'd just be pleased if it can snap a little faster and be less janky. Fingers crossed.
TOMDM 3y ago
I think the problem is that using well optimised programs (Sublime text for example) on modern computers feels unbelievably fast. Using something like Teams by comparison feels like mollases.
Klinky 3y ago
Teams is hot garbage, it feels like it was designed to be terrible at everything it does. Everything feels laggy in it compared to Slack/Zoom.
- cycomanic 3y ago
  Your kidding right, I mean teams is not great, but compared to the UI rubbish of zoom and slack? Take for example the whole business of screensharing, if you share a single screen in zoom you get black blocks for all the zoom windows. Yes it makes sense that I don't share the window with participants, but at least let me freaking close it. Similarly moving the controls from bottom to top of the screen reliably confuses early (and even more advanced users). And don't get me started on quoting text or including math in slack and what is the whole threads section?!
  - Klinky 3y ago
    It feels like a quarter of the time screenshare doesn't even work in Teams and it's noticably choppier when it does work. Code blocks working in Teams is inconsistent, and it seems to add additional spaces when copying. Quoting & mentions also sucks. The channels, chats, activity screens are always a mess, feel like UX bandaid. Private channel limits are garbage. Search and discovery sucks. There's inconsistent options for the calendar between Outlook & Teams. Don't you dare expect functional compatibility between MS products. Scheduling assistant sucks, sometimes confuses itself when people are busy. The UX seems to rely on a myriad of nested menus & modals that are XHR backed, so each one lags. Even just typing text feels slow. It's as fluid as molasses.
    - antifa 3y ago
      > and it seems to add additional spaces when copying It regularly adds _fake spaces_ to code blocks. People paste working code/SQL into their things and all spaces were replaced with mysterious utf8 that are invisible like spaces.
uo21tp5hoyg 3y ago
Not according to their own advertising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4

No, but on the other hand, I do have some glimmer of hope that eventually someone at Microsoft will see these kinds of comments and do something to fix that abomination. I have no doubt Microsoft employs many very talented people, but none of them seem to be working on the user facing products which make my corporate laptop run so poorly (Teams or OneDrive).

re-thc 3y ago
To be fair, it has already improved a lot. They are doing something whether they see your comment or not.
Clamchop 3y ago
They've transitioned the consumer client from Electron to Edge WebView, Angular to React, and the same for the enterprise application appears to be in public preview and slated for general availability later this year. Still web tech but it's supposed to address some of the memory and performance problems. So I think they've known how unpleasant Teams is! https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/03/27/welcome-to-the-new-era-of-microsoft-teams/ https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-365/blog/2023/03/2...
- imperialdrive 3y ago
  T2 is much worse that version 1, I'm sorry to say because I really really want to like Teams since I'm forced to use it for work.
  - Clamchop 3y ago
    Don't tell me that, I want to believe in the dream. :/
- fbdab103 3y ago
  Highlighting the 9 second startup time does not bolster confidence.
  - Klinky 3y ago
    Yes, appreciate the transparency, but it's kind of embarrassing "22 second launch time" was considered acceptable for so long, and "more than twice as fast" now means "almost a 10 second launch time".
    - Clamchop 3y ago
      Yeah it is something but as an app that usually runs at startup, I'd just be pleased if it can snap a little faster and be less janky. Fingers crossed.

TOMDM 3y ago

I think the problem is that using well optimised programs (Sublime text for example) on modern computers feels unbelievably fast. Using something like Teams by comparison feels like mollases.

Klinky 3y ago

Teams is hot garbage, it feels like it was designed to be terrible at everything it does. Everything feels laggy in it compared to Slack/Zoom.

cycomanic 3y ago
Your kidding right, I mean teams is not great, but compared to the UI rubbish of zoom and slack? Take for example the whole business of screensharing, if you share a single screen in zoom you get black blocks for all the zoom windows. Yes it makes sense that I don't share the window with participants, but at least let me freaking close it. Similarly moving the controls from bottom to top of the screen reliably confuses early (and even more advanced users). And don't get me started on quoting text or including math in slack and what is the whole threads section?!
- Klinky 3y ago
  It feels like a quarter of the time screenshare doesn't even work in Teams and it's noticably choppier when it does work. Code blocks working in Teams is inconsistent, and it seems to add additional spaces when copying. Quoting & mentions also sucks. The channels, chats, activity screens are always a mess, feel like UX bandaid. Private channel limits are garbage. Search and discovery sucks. There's inconsistent options for the calendar between Outlook & Teams. Don't you dare expect functional compatibility between MS products. Scheduling assistant sucks, sometimes confuses itself when people are busy. The UX seems to rely on a myriad of nested menus & modals that are XHR backed, so each one lags. Even just typing text feels slow. It's as fluid as molasses.
  - antifa 3y ago
    > and it seems to add additional spaces when copying It regularly adds _fake spaces_ to code blocks. People paste working code/SQL into their things and all spaces were replaced with mysterious utf8 that are invisible like spaces.

uo21tp5hoyg 3y ago

Not according to their own advertising: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CT7nnXej2K4