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I enjoy thought provoking arguments as much as the next guy, but too many people seem like they just want something to be unreasonable about. And they act like

by Mansyn 15y ago

I enjoy thought provoking arguments as much as the next guy, but too many people seem like they just want something to be unreasonable about. And they act like children, in that they only scrutinize the process when their not getting their way. They just want to be a malcontent, and it appears pathetic to me. I'll be first in line when there's a revolution that isn't full of drum circles and free-loaders.

itmag 15y ago
Exactly. In Transactional Analysis, they would say that those types view themselves as ill-behaved Children and identify society as the Parent. The mature dissident (the Adult) looks very different from this, and is a lot more effective too. More on TA: http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/ta.htm http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/ta.htm
nknight 15y ago
When else would you analyze a process than when it's causing you a problem? Do you routinely attempt to fix things that aren't broken?
- rprospero 15y ago
  Imagine that you find an ATM machine that's spitting out free money. It's certainly not causing you a problem, but that doesn't mean that it's not broken. It's easy to see that the system is broken when you're getting less than you deserve. It takes a degree of maturity to admit that the system is broken when you receive more than you deserve.
  - nknight 15y ago
    Uh, it's also not my job to go over to the ATM and find out why it's broken. On the contrary, trying to do so would probably get me arrested. I have no reason to fix or even analyze a process until it is somehow relevant to me. Calling me immature because I decline to go hunting for problems I otherwise wouldn't even know about is bizarre at best.
    - UnFleshedOne 15y ago
      That is a reasonable position. But only if you wouldn't stuff your pockets full of money should you pass one by while at the same time complaining about all the free-loaders on welfare. I know some people who would do both things without having any cognitive dissonance induced discomfort at all.
      - nknight 15y ago
        But that has nothing at all to do with anti-authoritarianism, and doesn't seem to resemble what Mansyn was talking about in any way. I can't stop thinking, while reading his and rprospero's comments, of the stereotypical parent screaming at a fussy eater, "Don't you know there are starving children in Africa?!".

by Mansyn 15y ago

itmag 15y ago

Exactly. In Transactional Analysis, they would say that those types view themselves as ill-behaved Children and identify society as the Parent. The mature dissident (the Adult) looks very different from this, and is a lot more effective too. More on TA: http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/ta.htm http://changingminds.org/explanations/behaviors/ta.htm

nknight 15y ago

When else would you analyze a process than when it's causing you a problem? Do you routinely attempt to fix things that aren't broken?

rprospero 15y ago
Imagine that you find an ATM machine that's spitting out free money. It's certainly not causing you a problem, but that doesn't mean that it's not broken. It's easy to see that the system is broken when you're getting less than you deserve. It takes a degree of maturity to admit that the system is broken when you receive more than you deserve.
- nknight 15y ago
  Uh, it's also not my job to go over to the ATM and find out why it's broken. On the contrary, trying to do so would probably get me arrested. I have no reason to fix or even analyze a process until it is somehow relevant to me. Calling me immature because I decline to go hunting for problems I otherwise wouldn't even know about is bizarre at best.
  - UnFleshedOne 15y ago
    That is a reasonable position. But only if you wouldn't stuff your pockets full of money should you pass one by while at the same time complaining about all the free-loaders on welfare. I know some people who would do both things without having any cognitive dissonance induced discomfort at all.
    - nknight 15y ago
      But that has nothing at all to do with anti-authoritarianism, and doesn't seem to resemble what Mansyn was talking about in any way. I can't stop thinking, while reading his and rprospero's comments, of the stereotypical parent screaming at a fussy eater, "Don't you know there are starving children in Africa?!".