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Which coastlines are burying houses underwater?

undersuit 3y ago
What if your house wasn't buried... but the increased sea levels have made your pacific island inhabitable? How much water and food can you afford to ship to your perfectly safe home?
- harambae 3y ago
  inhabitable means habitable (“what a language!”) Hawaii and other tropical paradises do ship in a massive amount of products they consume, with most of their actual industry being tourism. There are problems with global warming but I wouldn’t rank this as #1
- revelio 3y ago
  What if pacific islands aren't actually sinking? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1 Results highlight a net increase in land area in Tuvalu of 73.5 ha (2.9%), despite sea-level rise, and land area increase in eight of nine atolls. Note how dishonest the scientists are. Their abstract starts by saying "Sea-level rise and climatic change threaten the existence of atoll nations" before getting to the part just quoted where they admit their data says the islands are getting bigger. This kind of brazen dishonesty is pervasive throughout modern academic science. It's not just the "lab leaks are impossible" crowd, you see it in many fields. Data tables don't match summaries which don't match abstracts which don't match IPCC reports which don't press releases which don't match TV news. Here, climatologists used picturesque Pacific islands to motivate major social changes without even bothering to measure whether their claims were true or not up until very recently. And when they did, and discovered the claims were not true, this fact was promptly buried and given no coverage. The misinformation gets repeated - which isn't your fault. After all, how were you to know?
  - pfisch 3y ago
    I know you think this is some big gotcha that indicts the entire concept of climate change, but it is really just you desperately finding some factoid that backs up your idea where you can't see the forest for the trees. The climate is clearly changing and it is really causing massive disruptions and costing trillions of dollars. The evidence is overwhelming and it is impossible to ignore at this point. This little gotcha doesn't change that or matter at all.
    - wrycoder 3y ago
      You can keep saying it, but that doesn't make it true. The global troposphere has increased its temperature by only 0.52C in the last forty years. Local climate change is a reality and happens continuously. Changing humanity's CO2 output won't significantly affect it. The "trillions in cost" is due to civilization putting pressure on marginal areas, like Florida, by overbuilding directly on the hurricane-prone coastline and on land that is actually subsiding. Global sea levels are rising about one foot per century during the top of the current interglacial era. Here in New England, we handle nine foot tides daily.
      - pfisch 3y ago
        sigh. You can see the global temperatures rising. Wildfires in Canada were out of control this year. Last year it happened in Australia. These temperatures and this level of fires aren't normal occurrences. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature#:~:text=The%202022%20surface%20temperature%20was,period%20(1880%2D1900) https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/.... We didn't overbuild in the florida keys because that isn't even possible. But the government is buying out people because it isn't viable anymore. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/climate-change/article264763359.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/climate-c...
        aapl88889 3y ago
        There are 13,458 florida keys homes sold recently according to Zillow. The prices for the homes are almost at record highs. The homes bought from the "Voluntary Home Buyout Program" were for homes impacted by Hurricane Irma not by rising sea levels.
- wrycoder 3y ago
  It is well known that coral atolls naturally adjust their height to the current sea level.
  - undersuit 3y ago
    How much water and food can you afford to ship to your perfectly safe home?
- aapl88889 3y ago
  Which pacific islands have houses that have become inhabitable due to rising sea levels?
  - undersuit 3y ago
    Fiji, I googled your exact question. https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300596791/climate-crisis-villagers-forced-to-abandon-their-homes-as-sea-levels-rise https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300596791/climate-crisis-v...
pfisch 3y ago
The florida keys. The houses don't go underwater. They just stop being insured and their value goes to 0.
- aapl88889 3y ago
  How many houses in the florida keys have been buried underwater or deemed unviable compared to the total number of houses in the florida keys?

What if your house wasn't buried... but the increased sea levels have made your pacific island inhabitable? How much water and food can you afford to ship to your perfectly safe home?

harambae 3y ago
inhabitable means habitable (“what a language!”) Hawaii and other tropical paradises do ship in a massive amount of products they consume, with most of their actual industry being tourism. There are problems with global warming but I wouldn’t rank this as #1
revelio 3y ago
What if pacific islands aren't actually sinking? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1 https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-02954-1 Results highlight a net increase in land area in Tuvalu of 73.5 ha (2.9%), despite sea-level rise, and land area increase in eight of nine atolls. Note how dishonest the scientists are. Their abstract starts by saying "Sea-level rise and climatic change threaten the existence of atoll nations" before getting to the part just quoted where they admit their data says the islands are getting bigger. This kind of brazen dishonesty is pervasive throughout modern academic science. It's not just the "lab leaks are impossible" crowd, you see it in many fields. Data tables don't match summaries which don't match abstracts which don't match IPCC reports which don't press releases which don't match TV news. Here, climatologists used picturesque Pacific islands to motivate major social changes without even bothering to measure whether their claims were true or not up until very recently. And when they did, and discovered the claims were not true, this fact was promptly buried and given no coverage. The misinformation gets repeated - which isn't your fault. After all, how were you to know?
- pfisch 3y ago
  I know you think this is some big gotcha that indicts the entire concept of climate change, but it is really just you desperately finding some factoid that backs up your idea where you can't see the forest for the trees. The climate is clearly changing and it is really causing massive disruptions and costing trillions of dollars. The evidence is overwhelming and it is impossible to ignore at this point. This little gotcha doesn't change that or matter at all.
  - wrycoder 3y ago
    You can keep saying it, but that doesn't make it true. The global troposphere has increased its temperature by only 0.52C in the last forty years. Local climate change is a reality and happens continuously. Changing humanity's CO2 output won't significantly affect it. The "trillions in cost" is due to civilization putting pressure on marginal areas, like Florida, by overbuilding directly on the hurricane-prone coastline and on land that is actually subsiding. Global sea levels are rising about one foot per century during the top of the current interglacial era. Here in New England, we handle nine foot tides daily.
    - pfisch 3y ago
      sigh. You can see the global temperatures rising. Wildfires in Canada were out of control this year. Last year it happened in Australia. These temperatures and this level of fires aren't normal occurrences. https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature#:~:text=The%202022%20surface%20temperature%20was,period%20(1880%2D1900) https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/.... We didn't overbuild in the florida keys because that isn't even possible. But the government is buying out people because it isn't viable anymore. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/climate-change/article264763359.html https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/environment/climate-c...
      - aapl88889 3y ago
        There are 13,458 florida keys homes sold recently according to Zillow. The prices for the homes are almost at record highs. The homes bought from the "Voluntary Home Buyout Program" were for homes impacted by Hurricane Irma not by rising sea levels.
wrycoder 3y ago
It is well known that coral atolls naturally adjust their height to the current sea level.
- undersuit 3y ago
  How much water and food can you afford to ship to your perfectly safe home?
aapl88889 3y ago
Which pacific islands have houses that have become inhabitable due to rising sea levels?
- undersuit 3y ago
  Fiji, I googled your exact question. https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300596791/climate-crisis-villagers-forced-to-abandon-their-homes-as-sea-levels-rise https://www.stuff.co.nz/pou-tiaki/300596791/climate-crisis-v...

pfisch 3y ago

The florida keys. The houses don't go underwater. They just stop being insured and their value goes to 0.

aapl88889 3y ago
How many houses in the florida keys have been buried underwater or deemed unviable compared to the total number of houses in the florida keys?