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If anyone is thinking they are bigger than they are it's these mods. Some of my favourite hobbies have been absolutely tainted by people who become mods of a co

If anyone is thinking they are bigger than they are it's these mods. Some of my favourite hobbies have been absolutely tainted by people who become mods of a community who put their societal/political/sexual beliefs with equal weight with the actual topic of the sub reddit. Say anything that mildly offends the mods personal beliefs? Banned. Or at the very least, find yourself limited in the role you can play in the community. Unfortunately, these mods seem to have the most free time to hijack the shared common interest in the sub-reddit topic to push their own version of community standards. I'm just speaking to my limited experience of my own personal interests but that's all I can say about it.

cto_of_antifa 3y ago
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tracerbulletx 3y ago
Stop pushing the narrative that the mods are the source of the protest. They're just acting on the behalf of the members of their subreddit who are upset at the direction of the company.
- rjbwork 3y ago
  Agreed. I am one of the oldest active Reddit users and I 100% agree. I have voted in many subreddits' polls for this. I mod a handful of small subs myself and have done the same. My needs are not the same as some of those large subs, so I am not continuing the blackout, but I fully support those that are. I intend to keep using old.reddit.com and never installing their mobile app instead of my 3rd party client.
  - justinator 3y ago
    > I fully support those that are. Fully supporting the blackout would mean continuing the blackout on your own subs, would it not? Just say you're "partially" supporting the blackout - like in ways that don't directly effect your direct, current use of the platform. I don't care either way, just be honest with yourself.
    - rjbwork 3y ago
      Hah. Fair enough. TBH I'm just kinda lazy and don't want to go and reconfigure all that crap again after doing it and then undoing it earlier this week. Those large subs have more resources at their disposable and a critical mass for disruption. My couple thousand subscribers simply are not that effective in getting Reddit to listen, I feel like. Definitely if moderating those subs becomes actually burdensome in the future, I will reconsider.
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  - sampo 3y ago
    > I am one of the oldest active Reddit users and I 100% agree. I am older than you, and I don't agree.
    - rjbwork 3y ago
      Maybe. I started using in July 2005 and made an account around when comments were introduced.
      - sampo 3y ago
        Damn. I am older, but just by some days.
- justinator 3y ago
  I'm sure the truth is a little more cloudy than that. Mods are the ones who can cut off a community (not plain users), no matter what the users think they should do. I bet most users don't give two thoughts either way. Mods in some of the communities I participate did the 48 hour thing, and now have the community set to read-only indefinitely. I don't remember there being voting for former - and certainly not the latter.
  - explorer83 3y ago
    Precisely. It is cloudier. I was making the point that in my limited experience, the mods haven't represented the community of the topic. They represent a subset of the community of the topic which the mods have allowed certain opinions to prosper and others to perish based on non-topic related issues. And what you said actually aligns with that. Mods may have crippled communities without ensuring there was a consensus of opinions on the matter first.
tarentel 3y ago
I've seen this argument a lot on here and I don't really get it. I go to specific hobby subreddits to talk about specific hobby subreddit things, not to see other people make irrelevant comments or something that might mildly offend someone else. As far as I am concerned mods are well in their rights to shut that kind of stuff down.
- skyyler 3y ago
  This sort of sentiment usually comes from someone that can't help but argue about politics in an area for, say, houseplants. Sorry, but I don't want to discuss Grundrisse in a hobby subreddit. I don't want nazis yelling at me about jewish conspiracies in an analogue synth subreddit. "Waaah I can't say edgy things everywhere I want" is such a weak complaint against community-led moderation.
  - explorer83 3y ago
    Ahh yes. The classic anyone who sees any issue with the current state of things must be in line with Nazi conspiracy theorists. Such depth.
    - skyyler 3y ago
      Did you notice that I criticised communists that inject politics into everything too? I suppose you do not know what Grundrisse is?
      - explorer83 3y ago
        What I meant by "in line with" is an association with an extreme political ideology. I understand the confusion. Again, partially my fault But the point was a person who has a complaint on the current status quo shouldn't associate them with someone trying to say or stand for something extreme.
- traverseda 3y ago
  One moderator (who has since been removed) would regularly remove anything critical of gnome or systemd, and would hand out bans to anyone they considered to be "bullying" either of those groups. I think their standard for bullying were pretty low, it was more that they wouldn't tolerate any criticism at all, but your mileage may vary.
stickfigure 3y ago
The CEO of Reddit (and even the management team as a whole) can be fairly treated as a monolithic block. They generally speak with one official voice. There are thousands of reddit moderators, most of whom have never met each other. You cannot possibly generalize across all of them. See also: Comments about "black people", "white people", "tech bros", or any other large group of humans.
- explorer83 3y ago
  I didn't try to generalize. I even said at the end of the post it represented my limited experience.
  - stickfigure 3y ago
    I'm going to assume you genuinely aren't self-aware, so please don't be offended by this attempt to help. You lead with this: > If anyone is thinking they are bigger than they are it's these mods. This is a textbook generalization, a "blanket statement". The next few sentences attempt to reinforce this generalization. A one-sentence disclaimer at the end doesn't change that. If you want to talk about your experience with <some members of large group X> then do that. But please don't project that across <all members of large group X>.
    - explorer83 3y ago
      Way to say you didn't read my whole comment before posting without saying you didn't read my whole comment before posting.

cto_of_antifa 3y ago

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tracerbulletx 3y ago

Stop pushing the narrative that the mods are the source of the protest. They're just acting on the behalf of the members of their subreddit who are upset at the direction of the company.

rjbwork 3y ago
Agreed. I am one of the oldest active Reddit users and I 100% agree. I have voted in many subreddits' polls for this. I mod a handful of small subs myself and have done the same. My needs are not the same as some of those large subs, so I am not continuing the blackout, but I fully support those that are. I intend to keep using old.reddit.com and never installing their mobile app instead of my 3rd party client.
- justinator 3y ago
  > I fully support those that are. Fully supporting the blackout would mean continuing the blackout on your own subs, would it not? Just say you're "partially" supporting the blackout - like in ways that don't directly effect your direct, current use of the platform. I don't care either way, just be honest with yourself.
  - rjbwork 3y ago
    Hah. Fair enough. TBH I'm just kinda lazy and don't want to go and reconfigure all that crap again after doing it and then undoing it earlier this week. Those large subs have more resources at their disposable and a critical mass for disruption. My couple thousand subscribers simply are not that effective in getting Reddit to listen, I feel like. Definitely if moderating those subs becomes actually burdensome in the future, I will reconsider.
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- sampo 3y ago
  > I am one of the oldest active Reddit users and I 100% agree. I am older than you, and I don't agree.
  - rjbwork 3y ago
    Maybe. I started using in July 2005 and made an account around when comments were introduced.
    - sampo 3y ago
      Damn. I am older, but just by some days.
justinator 3y ago
I'm sure the truth is a little more cloudy than that. Mods are the ones who can cut off a community (not plain users), no matter what the users think they should do. I bet most users don't give two thoughts either way. Mods in some of the communities I participate did the 48 hour thing, and now have the community set to read-only indefinitely. I don't remember there being voting for former - and certainly not the latter.
- explorer83 3y ago
  Precisely. It is cloudier. I was making the point that in my limited experience, the mods haven't represented the community of the topic. They represent a subset of the community of the topic which the mods have allowed certain opinions to prosper and others to perish based on non-topic related issues. And what you said actually aligns with that. Mods may have crippled communities without ensuring there was a consensus of opinions on the matter first.

tarentel 3y ago

I've seen this argument a lot on here and I don't really get it. I go to specific hobby subreddits to talk about specific hobby subreddit things, not to see other people make irrelevant comments or something that might mildly offend someone else. As far as I am concerned mods are well in their rights to shut that kind of stuff down.

skyyler 3y ago
This sort of sentiment usually comes from someone that can't help but argue about politics in an area for, say, houseplants. Sorry, but I don't want to discuss Grundrisse in a hobby subreddit. I don't want nazis yelling at me about jewish conspiracies in an analogue synth subreddit. "Waaah I can't say edgy things everywhere I want" is such a weak complaint against community-led moderation.
- explorer83 3y ago
  Ahh yes. The classic anyone who sees any issue with the current state of things must be in line with Nazi conspiracy theorists. Such depth.
  - skyyler 3y ago
    Did you notice that I criticised communists that inject politics into everything too? I suppose you do not know what Grundrisse is?
    - explorer83 3y ago
      What I meant by "in line with" is an association with an extreme political ideology. I understand the confusion. Again, partially my fault But the point was a person who has a complaint on the current status quo shouldn't associate them with someone trying to say or stand for something extreme.
traverseda 3y ago
One moderator (who has since been removed) would regularly remove anything critical of gnome or systemd, and would hand out bans to anyone they considered to be "bullying" either of those groups. I think their standard for bullying were pretty low, it was more that they wouldn't tolerate any criticism at all, but your mileage may vary.

stickfigure 3y ago

The CEO of Reddit (and even the management team as a whole) can be fairly treated as a monolithic block. They generally speak with one official voice. There are thousands of reddit moderators, most of whom have never met each other. You cannot possibly generalize across all of them. See also: Comments about "black people", "white people", "tech bros", or any other large group of humans.

explorer83 3y ago
I didn't try to generalize. I even said at the end of the post it represented my limited experience.
- stickfigure 3y ago
  I'm going to assume you genuinely aren't self-aware, so please don't be offended by this attempt to help. You lead with this: > If anyone is thinking they are bigger than they are it's these mods. This is a textbook generalization, a "blanket statement". The next few sentences attempt to reinforce this generalization. A one-sentence disclaimer at the end doesn't change that. If you want to talk about your experience with <some members of large group X> then do that. But please don't project that across <all members of large group X>.
  - explorer83 3y ago
    Way to say you didn't read my whole comment before posting without saying you didn't read my whole comment before posting.