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This is a smart move. It's much easier to tag your site than issue a takedown request. I mean, it probably won't stop copyright infringement too much , but it

This is a smart move. It's much easier to tag your site than issue a takedown request. I mean, it probably won't stop copyright infringement too much , but it gives Pinterest something to point to when people complain.

huggyface 15y ago
Why, though, is it opt out rather than opt in? Given the claimed advantages of pinterest participation, why not have those sites that want to participate add the meta tag? It seems somewhat backwards to demand that sites that don't want to participate add a meta tag for a single, specific site. EDIT: One interesting side effect of moderation on sites like this is that it actively discourages conversation. I've replied to various questions and, without fail, when someone asserts their opinion by downvoting this, they need to seek out and downvote every other post I've made on this topic. Weak sauce.
- eropple 15y ago
  You're joking, right? The overwhelming majority of sites either don't care or are positive towards stuff like Pinterest (more ad eyeballs, for example). It's the rarity to [i]not[/i] want to be shareable.
  - huggyface 15y ago
    No, I'm not "joking". The default license for content without an explicit license is that it is copyrighted. There are existing tags for looser licensing (e.g. creative commons). This is an obnoxious demand, and the "we decide whether it benefits you, and thus determine how we violate your rights" is a garbage way to proceed. No kidding it serves pinterest, though.
    - eurleif 15y ago
      Do you think Google Image Search is bad, too? If not, what's the relevant difference?
      - deleted 15y ago
        [deleted]
    - franze 15y ago
      ever heard of "fair use"?
      - pbhjpbhj 15y ago
        So you're saying Pinterest only copy US created content to their servers?
      - ubernostrum 15y ago
        Yup, I have. And saying "fair use" makes about as much sense as saying "abracadabra" -- it's an incredibly narrow set of criteria that you can use if you're actually in court, not a magic word you can utter to make things work to your advantage. Meanwhile, the assumed default status of anything created in a Berne Convention country in the past 90 years or so is still "all rights reserved".
    - dannyr 15y ago
      It's like saying being indexed by Google should be opt-in.
      - huggyface 15y ago
        A relatively tiny site is demanding a site-specific meta tag for them to not commercial benefit by violating your copyright. Google, in contrast, observes long existing, cross-industry tags and behaviors. And Google is hardly the example counterpoint: Many of its activities do border on very questionable. In Google's ideal world you never leave Google.com as they're filtered everyone else's content down to everything you need.
- Karunamon 15y ago
  Why? Because this is the internet. I shouldn't have to ask permission every time I want to create a hyperlink.
  - huggyface 15y ago
    It has nothing to do with creating a hyperlink. It has to do with misappropriating copyrighted content for commercial purposes.
    - Karunamon 15y ago
      Rephrase, Everyone on the internet shouldn't have to ask permission when they want to create a hyperlink on a public site.
      - btipling 15y ago
        It's not a hyperlink, pininterest is either hot-linking or making a copy of images to which it has no copyright for and for which the users who added these images do not have copyright access to.
        Karunamon 15y ago
        >It's not a hyperlink, pininterest is either hot-linking or making a copy of images to which it has no copyright for and for which the users who added these images do not have copyright access to. More likely than not, hotlinking. Also, lawyers ruin everything.
        staunch 15y ago
        Pinterest is downloading images from other sites and hosting it on their own servers. No one is complaining about linking or even hotlinking.
        franze 15y ago
- chc 15y ago
  They're putting it on the Web. Traditionally, there is assumed to be a certain degree of permission involved in putting content on the Web unless you specifically indicate otherwise. If we don't assume this permission, Web browsers would be just as bad, since they download and cache your copyrighted content. (Note to downvoters: If you believe I'm wrong, a response would do a better job of correcting the misinformation. If you believe I'm posting this is bad faith, you're mistaken. I really don't see how the Web can coexist with the assumption "A program may not download resources offered by a webserver without explicit opt-in permission.")
  - TeMPOraL 15y ago
    I completely agree with you. Opt-in means nothing would ever be done in this world, because everyone would be wasting resources on getting permissions. No browsers, no search engines, no Wikipedia, no HN, no nothing. The rule of thumb should be: you opt-in when you put your stuff on the Internet.

huggyface 15y ago

Why, though, is it opt out rather than opt in? Given the claimed advantages of pinterest participation, why not have those sites that want to participate add the meta tag? It seems somewhat backwards to demand that sites that don't want to participate add a meta tag for a single, specific site. EDIT: One interesting side effect of moderation on sites like this is that it actively discourages conversation. I've replied to various questions and, without fail, when someone asserts their opinion by downvoting this, they need to seek out and downvote every other post I've made on this topic. Weak sauce.

eropple 15y ago
You're joking, right? The overwhelming majority of sites either don't care or are positive towards stuff like Pinterest (more ad eyeballs, for example). It's the rarity to [i]not[/i] want to be shareable.
- huggyface 15y ago
  No, I'm not "joking". The default license for content without an explicit license is that it is copyrighted. There are existing tags for looser licensing (e.g. creative commons). This is an obnoxious demand, and the "we decide whether it benefits you, and thus determine how we violate your rights" is a garbage way to proceed. No kidding it serves pinterest, though.
  - eurleif 15y ago
    Do you think Google Image Search is bad, too? If not, what's the relevant difference?
    - deleted 15y ago
      [deleted]
  - franze 15y ago
    ever heard of "fair use"?
    - pbhjpbhj 15y ago
      So you're saying Pinterest only copy US created content to their servers?
    - ubernostrum 15y ago
      Yup, I have. And saying "fair use" makes about as much sense as saying "abracadabra" -- it's an incredibly narrow set of criteria that you can use if you're actually in court, not a magic word you can utter to make things work to your advantage. Meanwhile, the assumed default status of anything created in a Berne Convention country in the past 90 years or so is still "all rights reserved".
  - dannyr 15y ago
    It's like saying being indexed by Google should be opt-in.
    - huggyface 15y ago
      A relatively tiny site is demanding a site-specific meta tag for them to not commercial benefit by violating your copyright. Google, in contrast, observes long existing, cross-industry tags and behaviors. And Google is hardly the example counterpoint: Many of its activities do border on very questionable. In Google's ideal world you never leave Google.com as they're filtered everyone else's content down to everything you need.
Karunamon 15y ago
Why? Because this is the internet. I shouldn't have to ask permission every time I want to create a hyperlink.
- huggyface 15y ago
  It has nothing to do with creating a hyperlink. It has to do with misappropriating copyrighted content for commercial purposes.
  - Karunamon 15y ago
    Rephrase, Everyone on the internet shouldn't have to ask permission when they want to create a hyperlink on a public site.
    - btipling 15y ago
      It's not a hyperlink, pininterest is either hot-linking or making a copy of images to which it has no copyright for and for which the users who added these images do not have copyright access to.
      - Karunamon 15y ago
        >It's not a hyperlink, pininterest is either hot-linking or making a copy of images to which it has no copyright for and for which the users who added these images do not have copyright access to. More likely than not, hotlinking. Also, lawyers ruin everything.
        staunch 15y ago
        Pinterest is downloading images from other sites and hosting it on their own servers. No one is complaining about linking or even hotlinking.
        franze 15y ago
chc 15y ago
They're putting it on the Web. Traditionally, there is assumed to be a certain degree of permission involved in putting content on the Web unless you specifically indicate otherwise. If we don't assume this permission, Web browsers would be just as bad, since they download and cache your copyrighted content. (Note to downvoters: If you believe I'm wrong, a response would do a better job of correcting the misinformation. If you believe I'm posting this is bad faith, you're mistaken. I really don't see how the Web can coexist with the assumption "A program may not download resources offered by a webserver without explicit opt-in permission.")
- TeMPOraL 15y ago
  I completely agree with you. Opt-in means nothing would ever be done in this world, because everyone would be wasting resources on getting permissions. No browsers, no search engines, no Wikipedia, no HN, no nothing. The rule of thumb should be: you opt-in when you put your stuff on the Internet.