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Before European colonization, the indigenous peoples of the Americas had developed customs for dealing with captives. Depending on the region, captives could ei
by Bran_son 3y ago
Before European colonization, the indigenous peoples of the Americas had developed customs for dealing with captives. Depending on the region, captives could either be killed, tortured, kept alive and assimilated into the tribe, or enslaved. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captives_in_American_Indian_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captives_in_American_Indian_Wa...
Many of the indigenous peoples of the Pacific Northwest Coast, such as the Haida and Tlingit, were traditionally known as fierce warriors and slave-traders, raiding as far as California. Slavery was hereditary, the slaves being prisoners of war. Their targets often included members of the Coast Salish [indigenous] groups. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_the_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas#Pre-Columbian_era https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_among_the_Indigenous_p...
A war crime is a violation of the laws of war that gives rise to individual criminal responsibility for actions by combatants in action, such as intentionally killing civilians or intentionally killing prisoners of war, torture, taking hostages, unnecessarily destroying civilian property, deception by perfidy, wartime sexual violence, pillaging - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crime
So no, it was not. I thought we had laid to rest the myth of the Noble Savage, that knew neither greed nor cruelty until the evil European forced them upon him. But I suppose it would be too much to expect the Smithsonian to do what a nobody with an internet connection, 5 minutes of free time, and no training in history can do.
- version_five 3y agoI agree with you, but also reject that premise that there was such thing as a "war crime" then. There was no Geneva Convention (or TIL Hague convention) at that time, and society was completely different. This is just another part of the idiotic pattern of judging past actions by today's morals (which is most ironic because the kind of people pushing this would have been at the front of the line on enforcing whatever the orthodoxy of their day was).
- krapp 3y agoAs the article points out, the use of poison in warfare was against the morals (and accepted rules of combat) of the time and the specific poisoning described in the article was denounced at the time as well.
- dang 3y agoWe've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not allowed here, regardless of what you're battling for or against. We want curious conversation here, and people hammering each other with pre-existing talking points and pre-hardened positions—which is what ideological battle is—goes completely against that spirit. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- Bran_son 3y agoIs the article itself also disallowed, or only my factual rebuttal?
- dang 3y agoI didn't ban you because of your point about whatever your point was. I banned you because you've been using HN primarily for ideological battle and that's not allowed here. The reason I replied to your GP comment is that (a) I had to reply somewhere, and (b) it was the most recent place to do so.
- Bran_son 3y agoSorry, I phrased my question poorly. What I meant was, does the linked article also count as discouraged ideological battle (even if, on its own, it doesn't merit a ban)?
- dang 3y agoI guess that's a borderline call. The topic is ideologically fraught; on the other hand, it looks like there's interesting history there, which it would be possible (though perhaps not easy) to discuss while holding a state of curiosity. If this thread had gotten a lot of attention, standard mod practice would probably have been to (1) let the article stand, but (2) change the title to something a bit more neutral.