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While freenom did genuinely have issues with spam and the like. I must say it played a pivotal role in my life, it allowed me to do my passion and have a domai

by talhah 3y ago

While freenom did genuinely have issues with spam and the like. I must say it played a pivotal role in my life, it allowed me to do my passion and have a domain name in my early teens when I couldn't pay for anything. Being able to toy with a domain name led me down many rabbit holes and led to me trying out self-hosting and system administration. Sad we can't have free things.

5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
I am still using a couple of .cf and .tk domains for semi-serious mail, haven't had any issues with delivery.
- throwawayadvsec 3y ago
  that's actually really weird
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    These domains apply a serious bonus to spam scores, but if you do everything else right (send a normal but not too large amount of email, get your mail server from a domain with high reliability, set up SPF/DKIM/DMARC/etc.) you shouldn't fall below the spam line in most spam filters.
- breakingcups 3y ago
  Given .tk's known practice of seizing domains for their own use, it might be wise to migrate to a more stable TLD.
seszett 3y ago
I have mixed feelings as well, for the same reason, but I find it absolutely terrible that the citizens of Mali, RCA, Gabon, and Equatorial Guinea have basically been robbed of their TLD by their (mostly failed) governments.
- esperent 3y ago
  .io is similarly problematic. Although at this point I think the best solution would be to retroactively set .io to mean Input/Output and give the Chagossians a new TLD. https://tamouse.github.io/blog/politics/2019/10/02/why-is-the-io-domain-problematic.html https://tamouse.github.io/blog/politics/2019/10/02/why-is-th... EDIT: it could also be argued that this controversy is beneficial for the Chagossians I guess. I didn't know anything about them until I purchased a .io domain a few years ago.
  - TheCleric 3y ago
    Do you not see the obvious irony in taking a people who were forcibly removed from their home so it could be given to others, issuing them a TLD, and now you're suggesting forcibly removing that from them and giving it to others?
    - pxc 3y ago
      That is really painful. But if those TLDs don't even bring them any money and they're not named after something in the Chagossian's own language, do they even own them in any meaningful sense? Aside from the right to return to their homelands, these people should be given some actual royalties from .io domain purchases. And then maybe also a new TLD that is more meaningfully connected to them and less likely to be hijacked.
    - dchftcs 3y ago
      It's something they didn't really ask for, never meaningfully utilized anyway, and ultimately is an entry in a table on some servers they can't really care less about. You can fantasize about the hardships the citizens suffered for the appropriation of the .io TLD and draw any analogy you want, but there are probably more pressing needs of the people you're not addressing by spending time to supply this sort of sympathy. Worse, imagine a world where you actually advocate for the displaced indigenous people to care about this problem. Probably you'd be asking them to divert attention from real problems such as being able to afford food tomorrow.
TheFreim 3y ago
Same here, running little websites using a free hosting provider and a tk domain was a great experience.
- davchana 3y ago
  I recently recovered password for my 2002 era davinder.8m.net free website. It is still hsoted all these 20 years for free.
  - lathiat 3y ago
    Yes! My freeservers site from the same era (2000, when I was 15 ) is also somehow still alive. I don’t have the password though. So I cannot fix the error haunting me for all time that I listed Generations as a TV series of Star Trek rather than a movie. http://stvoyager.iwarp.com/ http://stvoyager.iwarp.com/ I’d love to know how/why they’ve managed to keep all of those alive so long. I am very appreciative but equally surprised.
    - belltaco 3y ago
      Storage and bandwidth has gotten orders of magnitude cheaper since then so that might be part of it. Identifying and deleting inactive websites might have deemed to be more expensive than just letting them stay on.
nine_k 3y ago
> the free domain name provider has a long history of ignoring abuse complaints about phishing websites while monetizing traffic to those abusive domains If the way to have there things is defrauding others, then they are not as free as they seem. I'd say that a third-level domain is fine for teenage projects; was fine for me even past teens.
- Beached 3y ago
  can you link me some free third level domain services that allow full control over all records? while I don't need it now, in the past I have wanted such a service and was unable to find them.
  - VWWHFSfQ 3y ago
    for $8 a year you can get a regular domain and then have as many free 3rd level domains with full DNS control as you want. or do you really just mean free free
    - TremendousJudge 3y ago
      based on the top level comment, I guess free free; something a child without a credit card can use on his own while playing around
      - p1necone 3y ago
        Yeah, the refrain is usually "anyone should be able to afford $8 a year", but I remember being teenager and even when I was making an income I still couldn't get a credit card. It's less about the money and more about the ability to pay.
        5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
        You don't really need credit cards, we found ways to pay for domains and hosting back in the day when we weren't legally able to get one (due to being minors). Some smaller companies accept other ways to pay that can be used anonymously. I definitely couldn't afford $8 a year thought, so others were covering that.
ajsnigrutin 3y ago
> have a domain name in my early teens yep, being a kid iterested in tech and having parents, that are not, is probably a huge pain... internet at home and a computer.. sure... giving your credit card info to your kid for some name on the internet? No way s/he's getting that. Having a free option (and dynamic dns, and possibly even a free virtual machine somewhere) makes a lot of learning and experimenting possible for kids.
- plugin-baby 3y ago
  > giving your credit card info to your kid for some name on the internet? I’d guess that in many cases, being interested in tech might make people _less_ likely to do this.

by talhah 3y ago

5e92cb50239222b 3y ago

I am still using a couple of .cf and .tk domains for semi-serious mail, haven't had any issues with delivery.

throwawayadvsec 3y ago
that's actually really weird
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  These domains apply a serious bonus to spam scores, but if you do everything else right (send a normal but not too large amount of email, get your mail server from a domain with high reliability, set up SPF/DKIM/DMARC/etc.) you shouldn't fall below the spam line in most spam filters.
breakingcups 3y ago
Given .tk's known practice of seizing domains for their own use, it might be wise to migrate to a more stable TLD.

seszett 3y ago

I have mixed feelings as well, for the same reason, but I find it absolutely terrible that the citizens of Mali, RCA, Gabon, and Equatorial Guinea have basically been robbed of their TLD by their (mostly failed) governments.

esperent 3y ago
.io is similarly problematic. Although at this point I think the best solution would be to retroactively set .io to mean Input/Output and give the Chagossians a new TLD. https://tamouse.github.io/blog/politics/2019/10/02/why-is-the-io-domain-problematic.html https://tamouse.github.io/blog/politics/2019/10/02/why-is-th... EDIT: it could also be argued that this controversy is beneficial for the Chagossians I guess. I didn't know anything about them until I purchased a .io domain a few years ago.
- TheCleric 3y ago
  Do you not see the obvious irony in taking a people who were forcibly removed from their home so it could be given to others, issuing them a TLD, and now you're suggesting forcibly removing that from them and giving it to others?
  - pxc 3y ago
    That is really painful. But if those TLDs don't even bring them any money and they're not named after something in the Chagossian's own language, do they even own them in any meaningful sense? Aside from the right to return to their homelands, these people should be given some actual royalties from .io domain purchases. And then maybe also a new TLD that is more meaningfully connected to them and less likely to be hijacked.
  - dchftcs 3y ago
    It's something they didn't really ask for, never meaningfully utilized anyway, and ultimately is an entry in a table on some servers they can't really care less about. You can fantasize about the hardships the citizens suffered for the appropriation of the .io TLD and draw any analogy you want, but there are probably more pressing needs of the people you're not addressing by spending time to supply this sort of sympathy. Worse, imagine a world where you actually advocate for the displaced indigenous people to care about this problem. Probably you'd be asking them to divert attention from real problems such as being able to afford food tomorrow.

TheFreim 3y ago

Same here, running little websites using a free hosting provider and a tk domain was a great experience.

davchana 3y ago
I recently recovered password for my 2002 era davinder.8m.net free website. It is still hsoted all these 20 years for free.
- lathiat 3y ago
  Yes! My freeservers site from the same era (2000, when I was 15 ) is also somehow still alive. I don’t have the password though. So I cannot fix the error haunting me for all time that I listed Generations as a TV series of Star Trek rather than a movie. http://stvoyager.iwarp.com/ http://stvoyager.iwarp.com/ I’d love to know how/why they’ve managed to keep all of those alive so long. I am very appreciative but equally surprised.
  - belltaco 3y ago
    Storage and bandwidth has gotten orders of magnitude cheaper since then so that might be part of it. Identifying and deleting inactive websites might have deemed to be more expensive than just letting them stay on.

nine_k 3y ago

> the free domain name provider has a long history of ignoring abuse complaints about phishing websites while monetizing traffic to those abusive domains If the way to have there things is defrauding others, then they are not as free as they seem. I'd say that a third-level domain is fine for teenage projects; was fine for me even past teens.

Beached 3y ago
can you link me some free third level domain services that allow full control over all records? while I don't need it now, in the past I have wanted such a service and was unable to find them.
- VWWHFSfQ 3y ago
  for $8 a year you can get a regular domain and then have as many free 3rd level domains with full DNS control as you want. or do you really just mean free free
  - TremendousJudge 3y ago
    based on the top level comment, I guess free free; something a child without a credit card can use on his own while playing around
    - p1necone 3y ago
      Yeah, the refrain is usually "anyone should be able to afford $8 a year", but I remember being teenager and even when I was making an income I still couldn't get a credit card. It's less about the money and more about the ability to pay.
      - 5e92cb50239222b 3y ago
        You don't really need credit cards, we found ways to pay for domains and hosting back in the day when we weren't legally able to get one (due to being minors). Some smaller companies accept other ways to pay that can be used anonymously. I definitely couldn't afford $8 a year thought, so others were covering that.

ajsnigrutin 3y ago

> have a domain name in my early teens yep, being a kid iterested in tech and having parents, that are not, is probably a huge pain... internet at home and a computer.. sure... giving your credit card info to your kid for some name on the internet? No way s/he's getting that. Having a free option (and dynamic dns, and possibly even a free virtual machine somewhere) makes a lot of learning and experimenting possible for kids.

plugin-baby 3y ago
> giving your credit card info to your kid for some name on the internet? I’d guess that in many cases, being interested in tech might make people _less_ likely to do this.