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The anti vax screw will probably wonder if injecting the vaccine actually increases your odds of Alzheimers since you're getting a partial version of the virus

The anti vax screw will probably wonder if injecting the vaccine actually increases your odds of Alzheimers since you're getting a partial version of the virus when doing so.

slashdev 3y ago
The data from this study is pretty definitive that it decreases your odds, not increases them.
- pohl 3y ago
  That won't stop 'em. Confidently-asserted lies are more compelling, it seems.
  - MarcoZavala 3y ago
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- tempfortwitt90 3y ago
  [flagged]
  - slashdev 3y ago
    I could see that. It's irrational, but people are often irrational.
  - peterfirefly 3y ago
    I take massive downvotes as a sign of my being right. I got massively downvoted on reddit in 2014 by putinbots, for example. I also regularly get downvoted here when I'm right.
    - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
      That is both arrogant and 95% of the time wrong. Accordingly, I have upvoted you. Take it how you will.
      - peterfirefly 3y ago
        I am currently at -2 :)
      - tempfortwitt90 3y ago
        IMO hes technically right. If you're wrong, people correct you. If you're right but they know they can't really argue the matter, they downvote.
        Dylan16807 3y ago
        People downvote wrong posts plenty on top of corrections, or if they just don't want to bother.
  - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
    Some HN'ers aren't very bright, is all.
  - striking 3y ago
    It's boring flamebait. I don't disagree with you but I've read this comment a hundred times and it doesn't seem especially necessary in this conversation compared to any other.
  - nequo 3y ago
    I think you might be getting the down votes because antivaxers will always find a way to justify their vaccine fears, so it is futile to insert them into the discussion when it isn’t about them.
  - lamontcg 3y ago
    You're probably getting downvoted by: 1. antivaxxers (there's a pile of them here on HN). 2. toxic positivity (people who think you are the problem because you're being so negative). 3. reading comprehension challenged (lots of people just don't parse sarcasm and irony well at all). Those three add up to a lot.
    - rootusrootus 3y ago
      First on the list is probably the folks who are tired of reading uninspired political comments about the opposition. Whether I agree with the sentiment or not, I can recognize that it serves no useful purpose. Nobody who reads what I write here is going to change their ideology as a result.
  - mistrial9 3y ago
    polarizing people into "us versus them" as the intro sentence has one aim only; not welcome here.
- chiefalchemist 3y ago
  Not really. They used the cutoff date to develop a theory. That is, those before the date couldn't get the vax vs those after the date that did. So far, so good. However, not everyone after the date got the vax. That is, like tge before date "control" there are a post-date group who also did not get the vax. Oddly, there's no mention how this group fared. Obviously, they know this group exist. And that the initial theory would be ideal to apply to this group. That didn't happen. That would be definite. As it is, a key and obvious piece is missing.
DaniloDias 3y ago
It would be ideal to wait for the people you hate to express the ideas you hate before hating them.
- tempfortwitt90 3y ago
  I never stated which one I was.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    That's worse. Unprompted mocking was the best interpretation of your post.
e44858 3y ago
Seems the chickenpox vaccine actually does indirectly increase your chances of getting Alzheimer’s: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18999945/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18999945/ “ With childhood varicella vaccination in the United States have come concerns that the incidence of herpes zoster may increase, because of diminishing natural exposure to varicella and consequent reactivation of latent varicella zoster virus.” “As the rates of VRHDs and the associated charges have decreased, there has been a significant increase in HZHDs and associated charges, disproportionately among older adults.”
- anonymouskimmer 3y ago
  The chickenpox vaccine absolutely decreases the chances of the people getting the vaccine of getting dementia. This has a side-effect of decreasing the exposure of older adults to new chickenpox infections, which increases their odds of developing shingles.[1] But as long as those older adults are getting the shingle vaccine, their odds of getting dementia should reduce as well. [1] - Intermittent infection with chickenpox boosts the adaptive immune response to the chronic chickenpox infection that most people who ever caught the disease have. This intermittent boosting helps prevent flareups of the chronic chickenpox infection (also known as shingles), which is likely the causative factor in chickenpox-related dementia. Alternatively, instead of getting intermittently infected with chickenpox, they could just get a shingles vaccine instead to boost their immune response against their previously acquired chronic infection. I presume that this intermittent exposure to chickenpox is greatest in adults with children (and grandchildren). Possibly explaining the decrease in dementia for older people with adult children: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352827321002433 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235282732... > Having 3+ children, adult daughter(s), or biological children was associated with lower risk of cognitive impairment.
  - tempfortwitt90 3y ago
    Does it lower it compared to not getting the virus nor the vaccine? Seat belts lower car accident deaths. But not lower than simply not driving. Isn't this a similar example?
Nextgrid 3y ago
And Facebook will be more than happy to promote and spread that lie. Imagine all the “engagement” they’ll get out of it.
- khazhoux 3y ago
  I’ll never blame Facebook, as so many others do, when it’s people themselves that lie and want to believe the lies.
  - Nextgrid 3y ago
    It's one thing for people to lie and/or believe lies, it's another thing for someone to profit off those lies and steer people towards them on a medium that claims to be a communications platform to keep in touch with friends & family.

The anti vax screw will probably wonder if injecting the vaccine actually increases your odds of Alzheimers since you're getting a partial version of the virus when doing so.

slashdev 3y ago

The data from this study is pretty definitive that it decreases your odds, not increases them.

pohl 3y ago
That won't stop 'em. Confidently-asserted lies are more compelling, it seems.
- MarcoZavala 3y ago
  [dead]
tempfortwitt90 3y ago
[flagged]
- slashdev 3y ago
  I could see that. It's irrational, but people are often irrational.
- peterfirefly 3y ago
  I take massive downvotes as a sign of my being right. I got massively downvoted on reddit in 2014 by putinbots, for example. I also regularly get downvoted here when I'm right.
  - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
    That is both arrogant and 95% of the time wrong. Accordingly, I have upvoted you. Take it how you will.
    - peterfirefly 3y ago
      I am currently at -2 :)
    - tempfortwitt90 3y ago
      IMO hes technically right. If you're wrong, people correct you. If you're right but they know they can't really argue the matter, they downvote.
      - Dylan16807 3y ago
        People downvote wrong posts plenty on top of corrections, or if they just don't want to bother.
- _a_a_a_ 3y ago
  Some HN'ers aren't very bright, is all.
- striking 3y ago
  It's boring flamebait. I don't disagree with you but I've read this comment a hundred times and it doesn't seem especially necessary in this conversation compared to any other.
- nequo 3y ago
  I think you might be getting the down votes because antivaxers will always find a way to justify their vaccine fears, so it is futile to insert them into the discussion when it isn’t about them.
- lamontcg 3y ago
  You're probably getting downvoted by: 1. antivaxxers (there's a pile of them here on HN). 2. toxic positivity (people who think you are the problem because you're being so negative). 3. reading comprehension challenged (lots of people just don't parse sarcasm and irony well at all). Those three add up to a lot.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    First on the list is probably the folks who are tired of reading uninspired political comments about the opposition. Whether I agree with the sentiment or not, I can recognize that it serves no useful purpose. Nobody who reads what I write here is going to change their ideology as a result.
- mistrial9 3y ago
  polarizing people into "us versus them" as the intro sentence has one aim only; not welcome here.
chiefalchemist 3y ago
Not really. They used the cutoff date to develop a theory. That is, those before the date couldn't get the vax vs those after the date that did. So far, so good. However, not everyone after the date got the vax. That is, like tge before date "control" there are a post-date group who also did not get the vax. Oddly, there's no mention how this group fared. Obviously, they know this group exist. And that the initial theory would be ideal to apply to this group. That didn't happen. That would be definite. As it is, a key and obvious piece is missing.

DaniloDias 3y ago

It would be ideal to wait for the people you hate to express the ideas you hate before hating them.

tempfortwitt90 3y ago
I never stated which one I was.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  That's worse. Unprompted mocking was the best interpretation of your post.

e44858 3y ago

Seems the chickenpox vaccine actually does indirectly increase your chances of getting Alzheimer’s: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18999945/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18999945/ “ With childhood varicella vaccination in the United States have come concerns that the incidence of herpes zoster may increase, because of diminishing natural exposure to varicella and consequent reactivation of latent varicella zoster virus.” “As the rates of VRHDs and the associated charges have decreased, there has been a significant increase in HZHDs and associated charges, disproportionately among older adults.”

anonymouskimmer 3y ago
The chickenpox vaccine absolutely decreases the chances of the people getting the vaccine of getting dementia. This has a side-effect of decreasing the exposure of older adults to new chickenpox infections, which increases their odds of developing shingles.[1] But as long as those older adults are getting the shingle vaccine, their odds of getting dementia should reduce as well. [1] - Intermittent infection with chickenpox boosts the adaptive immune response to the chronic chickenpox infection that most people who ever caught the disease have. This intermittent boosting helps prevent flareups of the chronic chickenpox infection (also known as shingles), which is likely the causative factor in chickenpox-related dementia. Alternatively, instead of getting intermittently infected with chickenpox, they could just get a shingles vaccine instead to boost their immune response against their previously acquired chronic infection. I presume that this intermittent exposure to chickenpox is greatest in adults with children (and grandchildren). Possibly explaining the decrease in dementia for older people with adult children: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2352827321002433 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S235282732... > Having 3+ children, adult daughter(s), or biological children was associated with lower risk of cognitive impairment.
- tempfortwitt90 3y ago
  Does it lower it compared to not getting the virus nor the vaccine? Seat belts lower car accident deaths. But not lower than simply not driving. Isn't this a similar example?

Nextgrid 3y ago

And Facebook will be more than happy to promote and spread that lie. Imagine all the “engagement” they’ll get out of it.

khazhoux 3y ago
I’ll never blame Facebook, as so many others do, when it’s people themselves that lie and want to believe the lies.
- Nextgrid 3y ago
  It's one thing for people to lie and/or believe lies, it's another thing for someone to profit off those lies and steer people towards them on a medium that claims to be a communications platform to keep in touch with friends & family.