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Per https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1414266#answer-1582507 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1414266#answer-1... > Thank you for reaching

Per https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1414266#answer-1582507 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1414266#answer-1... > Thank you for reaching out with your concern. Firefox is committed to creating an online experience that puts people first, as such we quickly stopped running the ad experience, and are reviewing internally.

Waterluvian 3y ago
I’m always glad that PR people can’t help but speak in such inhuman language that makes it obvious that it’s not a real sentiment but just part of the play.
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  Honestly, I thought it was a pretty strong statement. They basically said "we screwed up."
  - candiddevmike 3y ago
    They used the words "stopped running" instead of "removed"...
    - Aeolun 3y ago
      I mean, I wouldn’t expect them to be able to pull the whole thing out of the code at the drop of a hat.
      - Zuiii 3y ago
        For a browser that claims to be privacy focused, I would expect them to tightly contain the code in an external module that can easily be turned off. I would absolutely expect them to pull the whole thing out.
  - lolinder 3y ago
    "Stopped running the ad experience" tells me the kind of language they've been using internally to describe projects like this, and it is not language that I'm okay with from Mozilla. Using the toxic language in the retraction doesn't breed confidence that they really understand what the error was.
    - Waterluvian 3y ago
      It’s not an “error,” it’s an “ad experience misadventure.”
  - account42 3y ago
    Then you are either a fool or extremely naive. The statement they made actually says "we expected the frog to be more used to the heat by now and will try again later when it is".
NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
I just saw this a half hour ago... it's still happening. I was on reddit, and couldn't be sure that it wasn't reddit doing it. Though I half-suspected Firefox. Imagine my surprise when I saw this post. Nothing about this seems "quickly stopped". The timestamp on your link says nearly 7 hours ago.
- cubefox 3y ago
  It was edited later: May 25, 2023 at 3:56:49 PM PDT
  - NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
    Well, then it was still going strong an hour and a half later, if not 6 hours.
roughly 3y ago
> Firefox is committed to creating an online experience that puts people first This phrase is approaching a Betteridge's law level tell for who’s at the wheel - nobody needs to insist they’re putting people first unless it’s really obvious they’re not. “My corporate doublespeak has a lot of people asking questions already answered by my corporate doublespeak.”
- eikenberry 3y ago
  This rule doesn't hold in general though... eg. "putting the customer first" is code for treating employees as interchangeable cogs without any voice. But it does mean that they are actually putting the customer ahead of employees.
- Wowfunhappy 3y ago
  > Firefox is committed to creating an online experience that puts people first, as such we quickly stopped running the ad experience, and are reviewing internally. That says to me that Firefox is aware the ad experience did not put people first, and that Firefox broke their commitment. They are discussing internally how this was allowed to happen.
  - roughly 3y ago
    Is there a single normal human being outside a corporate environment that would even talk about an "ad experience"? Ads by definition do not put people first, putting ads over unrelated content in your app is definitionally user hostile, and nobody in any context outside an advertising department would ever think otherwise. To even get to the point where you're having to assert your 'people first' bonafides over something so transparently anti-people requires the kind of utter blindness to the entirely of the human experience that can only occur in an organization who's priorities absolutely put ads in front of people.
    - Aeolun 3y ago
      It’s absolutely possible to do ads in a way that puts people first. This just isn’t it.
ekianjo 3y ago
> Firefox is committed to creating an online experience that puts people first, as such we quickly stopped running the ad experience, and are reviewing internally. Should read as: > Oops, we got caught again doing stuff that our core users don't like. Let us remove this until we find a better way to make you angry
userbinator 3y ago
They are certainly putting people first --- those people being precisely the bastards who came up with this crap. I still remember when the slogan was something like "putting users in control of their online experience", got silently changed to "individuals" instead of "users" at some point, and apparently it's just "people" now.

Waterluvian 3y ago

I’m always glad that PR people can’t help but speak in such inhuman language that makes it obvious that it’s not a real sentiment but just part of the play.

Wowfunhappy 3y ago
Honestly, I thought it was a pretty strong statement. They basically said "we screwed up."
- candiddevmike 3y ago
  They used the words "stopped running" instead of "removed"...
  - Aeolun 3y ago
    I mean, I wouldn’t expect them to be able to pull the whole thing out of the code at the drop of a hat.
    - Zuiii 3y ago
      For a browser that claims to be privacy focused, I would expect them to tightly contain the code in an external module that can easily be turned off. I would absolutely expect them to pull the whole thing out.
- lolinder 3y ago
  "Stopped running the ad experience" tells me the kind of language they've been using internally to describe projects like this, and it is not language that I'm okay with from Mozilla. Using the toxic language in the retraction doesn't breed confidence that they really understand what the error was.
  - Waterluvian 3y ago
    It’s not an “error,” it’s an “ad experience misadventure.”
- account42 3y ago
  Then you are either a fool or extremely naive. The statement they made actually says "we expected the frog to be more used to the heat by now and will try again later when it is".

NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago

I just saw this a half hour ago... it's still happening. I was on reddit, and couldn't be sure that it wasn't reddit doing it. Though I half-suspected Firefox. Imagine my surprise when I saw this post. Nothing about this seems "quickly stopped". The timestamp on your link says nearly 7 hours ago.

cubefox 3y ago
It was edited later: May 25, 2023 at 3:56:49 PM PDT
- NoMoreNicksLeft 3y ago
  Well, then it was still going strong an hour and a half later, if not 6 hours.

roughly 3y ago

> Firefox is committed to creating an online experience that puts people first This phrase is approaching a Betteridge's law level tell for who’s at the wheel - nobody needs to insist they’re putting people first unless it’s really obvious they’re not. “My corporate doublespeak has a lot of people asking questions already answered by my corporate doublespeak.”

eikenberry 3y ago
This rule doesn't hold in general though... eg. "putting the customer first" is code for treating employees as interchangeable cogs without any voice. But it does mean that they are actually putting the customer ahead of employees.
Wowfunhappy 3y ago
> Firefox is committed to creating an online experience that puts people first, as such we quickly stopped running the ad experience, and are reviewing internally. That says to me that Firefox is aware the ad experience did not put people first, and that Firefox broke their commitment. They are discussing internally how this was allowed to happen.
- roughly 3y ago
  Is there a single normal human being outside a corporate environment that would even talk about an "ad experience"? Ads by definition do not put people first, putting ads over unrelated content in your app is definitionally user hostile, and nobody in any context outside an advertising department would ever think otherwise. To even get to the point where you're having to assert your 'people first' bonafides over something so transparently anti-people requires the kind of utter blindness to the entirely of the human experience that can only occur in an organization who's priorities absolutely put ads in front of people.
  - Aeolun 3y ago
    It’s absolutely possible to do ads in a way that puts people first. This just isn’t it.

ekianjo 3y ago

> Firefox is committed to creating an online experience that puts people first, as such we quickly stopped running the ad experience, and are reviewing internally. Should read as: > Oops, we got caught again doing stuff that our core users don't like. Let us remove this until we find a better way to make you angry

userbinator 3y ago

They are certainly putting people first --- those people being precisely the bastards who came up with this crap. I still remember when the slogan was something like "putting users in control of their online experience", got silently changed to "individuals" instead of "users" at some point, and apparently it's just "people" now.