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Please, stop repeating russian propaganda. They wanted to control and reconquer their former imperial colonies. Their claimed Casus Belli were just lame excuses

by NAG3LT 3y ago

Please, stop repeating russian propaganda. They wanted to control and reconquer their former imperial colonies. Their claimed Casus Belli were just lame excuses, not actual reasons.

cpursley 3y ago
God forbid we use a little empathy, nuance and historical perspective in our opinions. And I know I'm a bit out there, but perhaps the people in the disputed territories should get a vote?
- thx-2718 3y ago
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- thx-2718 3y ago
  It's unfortunate that Nations can't agree to respect the borders they agreed upon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_border#History_since_1991 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_border#...
- kibwen 3y ago
  Russia would be happy to put it to a vote, now that they've relocated over a million Ukrainians from the Donbas to "filtration camps". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_filtration_camps_for_Ukrainians https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_filtration_camps_for... God forbid we react to the utterly inhumane invasion of Ukraine with the disgust it deserves. Stop trying to make cover for Putin behind a veil of insincere civility.
- bombolo 3y ago
  but… What if they vote russia?
- archagon 3y ago
  Perhaps the time to discuss this was before the 2014 invasion. I doubt Ukraine would acquiesce to it now.
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > And I know I'm a bit out there, but perhaps the people in the disputed territories should get a vote? You mean just like the vote in Crimea in 2014 right? With a gun pointed at their backs under the supervision of the military?. There’s no way that, any vote like that is in anyway shape or form fair and will result in any outcome other than what the people pointing the guns want.
myshpa 3y ago
I don't have it from russians, I'm not pro-russia, far from it. But those concerns that US (maybe) wants war on european continent were pretty often repeated in all EU media then.

by NAG3LT 3y ago

Please, stop repeating russian propaganda. They wanted to control and reconquer their former imperial colonies. Their claimed Casus Belli were just lame excuses, not actual reasons.

cpursley 3y ago

God forbid we use a little empathy, nuance and historical perspective in our opinions. And I know I'm a bit out there, but perhaps the people in the disputed territories should get a vote?

thx-2718 3y ago
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thx-2718 3y ago
It's unfortunate that Nations can't agree to respect the borders they agreed upon. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_border#History_since_1991 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Ukraine_border#...
kibwen 3y ago
Russia would be happy to put it to a vote, now that they've relocated over a million Ukrainians from the Donbas to "filtration camps". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_filtration_camps_for_Ukrainians https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_filtration_camps_for... God forbid we react to the utterly inhumane invasion of Ukraine with the disgust it deserves. Stop trying to make cover for Putin behind a veil of insincere civility.
bombolo 3y ago
but… What if they vote russia?
archagon 3y ago
Perhaps the time to discuss this was before the 2014 invasion. I doubt Ukraine would acquiesce to it now.
_kbh_ 3y ago
> And I know I'm a bit out there, but perhaps the people in the disputed territories should get a vote? You mean just like the vote in Crimea in 2014 right? With a gun pointed at their backs under the supervision of the military?. There’s no way that, any vote like that is in anyway shape or form fair and will result in any outcome other than what the people pointing the guns want.

myshpa 3y ago

I don't have it from russians, I'm not pro-russia, far from it. But those concerns that US (maybe) wants war on european continent were pretty often repeated in all EU media then.