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"More popular"? Citation needed, please. In terms of measuring popularity, I love https://db-engines.com/en/ranking https://db-engines.com/en/ranking Google

by fhoffa 3y ago

"More popular"? Citation needed, please. In terms of measuring popularity, I love https://db-engines.com/en/ranking https://db-engines.com/en/ranking Google Trends is interesting too https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2021-04-24%202023-05-24&geo=US&q=%2Fg%2F11b8krtt2g,clickhouse&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2021-04-24%202... Disclosure: I work for Snowflake

vgt 3y ago
don't disagree with what you said, but your Google Trends argument has a big asterisk against it - right in the page it says "This comparison contains both Search terms and Topics, which are measured differently. LEARN MORE"
- fhoffa 3y ago
  I hear what you say. But does it change anything?
  - vgt 3y ago
    Yes, efficacy of your argument
    - chimerasaurus 3y ago
      As a data point, if you examine something more granular and trend/topic tied, like Snowpark (which is close to Clickhouse alone) or "Snowflake Table" I would propose the overall point being made kind of stands. The original term is ambiguous (I wish Snowflake had different branding) but more specific terms to Snowflake still rank high and are maybe less wonky of a comparison.
booi 3y ago
Oracle is the most popular DB? I’ve never run into an Oracle DB in my entire career
- rising-sky 3y ago
  Sounds like that's a you issue, not one for Oracle. Don't mean to sound dismissive but that what your post reads like, jut because I've never encountered a brown rat does not mean it's not the most populous animal species on earth
  - smcin 3y ago
    It's extremely possible to have never run into an Oracle DB in an entire career (in the depts you worked in), and moreover it's quite possible to use one database in finance and another in engineering or operations (Postgres or cloud). It merely means you haven't worked at the type and size of organization that tends to license Oracle, or more specifically only in some depts. And sometimes the org didn't voluntarily pick Oracle for technical reasons, it was mandated by the end-user, or for compliance, or application stack, or Oracle's sales team beat out technically superior/more cost-efficient competitors. None of that is denying Oracle exists. And that isn't even an 'issue', just an observation. I imagine this used to be similar with encountering IBM DB2 or SAP or Amdahl or melamine deskphones and partitions, but I assume you wouldn't say those are issues.
    - smcin 3y ago
      PS Oracle cloud didn't even have EU sovereign regions until 2022(!)
  - WJW 3y ago
    Pretty sure the most populous animal species on earth would be some type of insect, probably an ant or a locust. According to wikipedia there are estimated to be over 1.4 billion insects for each human on Earth. Rats are numerous but not nearly that numerous.
- fhoffa 3y ago
  I've seen the opposite: It's hard to find a large company that doesn't use Oracle (but many would love to get away from it) See this chart from Gartner DBMS Market Share stack ranks - Oracle was #1 for a long time: - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/aronthal_dbms-gartnerda-cloud-activity-7053713713870110720-xB1X/ https://www.linkedin.com/posts/aronthal_dbms-gartnerda-cloud... Snowflake is now #9 on this chart. (high res: https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D4D2CAQGZqgH3ta2R0A/comment-image-shrink_8192_1280/0/1682026368942?e=1685577600&v=beta&t=Evl0Yd0iVoiZdsSnh74XZ3Vaw4HOs1y6tO1o2BFcLT4 https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D4D2CAQGZqgH3ta2R0A/commen...)
Palmik 3y ago
The Google Trends for "Snowflake" the company are clearly polluted by "Snowflake" the topic: https://screenbud.com/shot/1df2725e-0faf-4795-b066-585d0857de67/image.png https://screenbud.com/shot/1df2725e-0faf-4795-b066-585d0857d...

by fhoffa 3y ago

vgt 3y ago

don't disagree with what you said, but your Google Trends argument has a big asterisk against it - right in the page it says "This comparison contains both Search terms and Topics, which are measured differently. LEARN MORE"

fhoffa 3y ago
I hear what you say. But does it change anything?
- vgt 3y ago
  Yes, efficacy of your argument
  - chimerasaurus 3y ago
    As a data point, if you examine something more granular and trend/topic tied, like Snowpark (which is close to Clickhouse alone) or "Snowflake Table" I would propose the overall point being made kind of stands. The original term is ambiguous (I wish Snowflake had different branding) but more specific terms to Snowflake still rank high and are maybe less wonky of a comparison.

booi 3y ago

Oracle is the most popular DB? I’ve never run into an Oracle DB in my entire career

rising-sky 3y ago
Sounds like that's a you issue, not one for Oracle. Don't mean to sound dismissive but that what your post reads like, jut because I've never encountered a brown rat does not mean it's not the most populous animal species on earth
- smcin 3y ago
  It's extremely possible to have never run into an Oracle DB in an entire career (in the depts you worked in), and moreover it's quite possible to use one database in finance and another in engineering or operations (Postgres or cloud). It merely means you haven't worked at the type and size of organization that tends to license Oracle, or more specifically only in some depts. And sometimes the org didn't voluntarily pick Oracle for technical reasons, it was mandated by the end-user, or for compliance, or application stack, or Oracle's sales team beat out technically superior/more cost-efficient competitors. None of that is denying Oracle exists. And that isn't even an 'issue', just an observation. I imagine this used to be similar with encountering IBM DB2 or SAP or Amdahl or melamine deskphones and partitions, but I assume you wouldn't say those are issues.
  - smcin 3y ago
    PS Oracle cloud didn't even have EU sovereign regions until 2022(!)
- WJW 3y ago
  Pretty sure the most populous animal species on earth would be some type of insect, probably an ant or a locust. According to wikipedia there are estimated to be over 1.4 billion insects for each human on Earth. Rats are numerous but not nearly that numerous.
fhoffa 3y ago
I've seen the opposite: It's hard to find a large company that doesn't use Oracle (but many would love to get away from it) See this chart from Gartner DBMS Market Share stack ranks - Oracle was #1 for a long time: - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/aronthal_dbms-gartnerda-cloud-activity-7053713713870110720-xB1X/ https://www.linkedin.com/posts/aronthal_dbms-gartnerda-cloud... Snowflake is now #9 on this chart. (high res: https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D4D2CAQGZqgH3ta2R0A/comment-image-shrink_8192_1280/0/1682026368942?e=1685577600&v=beta&t=Evl0Yd0iVoiZdsSnh74XZ3Vaw4HOs1y6tO1o2BFcLT4 https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/D4D2CAQGZqgH3ta2R0A/commen...)

Palmik 3y ago

The Google Trends for "Snowflake" the company are clearly polluted by "Snowflake" the topic: https://screenbud.com/shot/1df2725e-0faf-4795-b066-585d0857de67/image.png https://screenbud.com/shot/1df2725e-0faf-4795-b066-585d0857d...