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If these workers could get remote jobs, they would- but they can’t. Amazon knows this, and probably can’t wait for them to quit. For now all they can do is com
by tjr225 3y ago
If these workers could get remote jobs, they would- but they can’t. Amazon knows this, and probably can’t wait for them to quit.
For now all they can do is complain about having to go to an office to be a spoiled, overpaid tech worker. If I had that job I would be keeping my mouth shut and enjoying the paycheck, but to each their own I suppose.
- x86x87 3y agoAmazon has a small window to force the drones back to the office. Once people start having options we're done. WFH will be here to stay.
- worrycue 3y agoAfter they force people back to office then what? It’s not like they won’t leave if they manage to get remote job elsewhere. Frankly, I don’t get this drive to RTO. The only gain is face to face meetings might improve productivity (in some people). The downside is increased pollution due to commuting - even with EVs you are wearing out tires increase the amount of micro plastics in the environment, wearing out their batteries, and wasting electricity.
- hw 3y ago> It’s not like they won’t leave if they manage to get remote job elsewhere. Even without RTO, people will still leave for other jobs if the grass is greener on the other side. If anything, WFH makes it easier for someone to go job hunting and do interviews. If the environment is your downside to RTO - you’re reaching. The loss in productivity when someone does 2 hours in traffic a day is probably a more compelling argument. Companies also have to stock their pantry, hire more office management, renew their office space leases.
- worrycue 3y agoFor most people the waste of time, energy, and money commuting is what they will care about but you can’t deny the environmental impact of millions of people commuting.
- x86x87 3y agoClimate Pledge, amiright? /s
- zamalek 3y agoIt's not only the environment, RTO also clogs the road for those who are causally tied to a job location (doctors, nurses, baristas, chefs, waste management, etc.). > 2 hours in traffic a day I'm starting to wonder if demanding that commute being paid work time would be a reasonable tradeoff (that I wouldn't take myself). If being at the office is part of the job description, then commuting logically follows as a job function. At the moment, employers are ripping into employees time at the monetary expense of employees. Should we just live closer? Sure! Let's talk about compensating employees for property prices and home security.
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- benjaminwootton 3y agoObjectively, people are seemingly being forced back to the office at least part time, and there are less WFH opportunities. Those in favour of WFH are losing the standoff.
- crop_rotation 3y agoMost of them sadly can not get even a non remote job easily. Most of big tech, and Amazon specially, massively lowered their hiring floor to hire more over the years, and are full of extremely incompetent people who will find it hard to survive elsewhere. Orgs are more like fiefdoms and full of incompetent people. A lot of such incompetent people know they are incompetent and go to massive lengths to survive (getting credit for everything they can, acting as information gatekeepers whenever they can).
- x86x87 3y agoWho can get a remote job easily? The top performers. Incoming dead sea effect.
- crop_rotation 3y agoYes, so return to office will cause top performers to leave. The incompetent people are not going anywhere due to such policies.
- hw 3y agoI know lots of top performers who enjoy being back in the office, and low performers who would prefer WFH so they can coast under the radar
- x86x87 3y agoLol. Lots! All of the top performers. Because sitting in traffic pissing your life and time away is #worthit. Because being able to eat a healthy lunch you make youself is lame. Because going to the office to attend virtual meetings on Chime is the best.
- DenisM 3y agoAstute observation. I imagine this effect will eventually consume any company. Or will it? Do we know of a way to stave it off?
- mbgerring 3y agoInstead of begging to be exploited by billionaires, yob could band together with your fellow tech workers and win better treatment for all of us.
- tjr225 3y agoWhat? These people have lives better than 99% of the population.
- clipsy 3y agoSo do medical doctors; and they've preserved that status by unionizing to protect it.
- hw 3y agoMedical doctors spend a lot of time and money in med school and residency. They have malpractice risk, and perform more essential work like saving lives and improving people’s health, your health. Working a hospital especially in the ED is stressful. No stock options, rsu grants. Tech workers on the other hand, say engineers, can easily get a high paying FAANG job without a 4yr degree - just spending time grinding leetcode or a coding bootcamp. Not to mention the RSUs, office perks like free lunches, WFH, on site laundry and daycare, flexible time off, no set work hours… come on
- clipsy 3y ago> Tech workers on the other hand, say engineers, can easily get a high paying FAANG job without a 4yr degree It is prima facie absurd to say that tech workers can "easily" get a job at FAANG; if it were that easy to work at FAANG surely the 50%[0] of Software Engineers who make less than $121k or 75%[0] of Software Engineers who make less than $152k would simply do so. [0]: https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-developer/salary https://money.usnews.com/careers/best-jobs/software-develope...
- o1y32 3y agoDid you just make things up? There are people who work at FAANG without a degree, but that's the absolute minority. Most people have spent years on a formal education, many of which have a master's or even PhDs.
- cvoss 3y agoBelieve it or not, there are other motivating factors for doing good work than money. Just because I'm fairly compensated doesn't mean I'm going to tolerate major inconveniences that impede my ability to work efficiently, productively, and with a positive attitude. Part of why I want to do my job well is because I find the work itself gratifying. Once that motivating factor vanishes, I'm going to complain or look elsewhere for work. It's in both parties' best interest for complaints to happen, to be heard, and to be addressed, so that workers can get back to being both content for themselves and productive for the company.
- tjr225 3y ago[dead]