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I'm not really concerned with Apple's financial interests. I'm concerned with their software tools and their demonstrated willingness to support the hardware th

by scrod 15y ago

I'm not really concerned with Apple's financial interests. I'm concerned with their software tools and their demonstrated willingness to support the hardware they sell.

nknight 15y ago
Show me a mass-market PC manufacturer that continues supporting 6 year old consumer hardware.
- scrod 15y ago
  Nope, don't try to shift the issue. We're talking about simply allowing others to compile code for PPC — not releasing brand new operating systems. Apple isn't merely ignoring it — they're going out of their way to prevent even third-parties from supporting it.
  - nachteilig 15y ago
    I don't understand this belief that Apple should support obsolete technology. Lion is the _second_ version of OS X not to even run on PPC. Why should the developer tools they distribute for Lion support it at all?
  - chc 15y ago
    They're not "going out of their way to prevent third parties from supporting it" any more than everybody else who doesn't ship an operating system with a PPC compiler. That includes Windows, most Linux distros, your grandma, the corner grocer, President Obama… Apple isn't actually stopping you from compiling for PPC. They just aren't shipping the compiler themselves. AFAIK, they don't ship any compilers for hardware they don't support — no VAX, no MIPS, no M68k — PPC is not special in that respect. I don't see what's so terrible about that.
  - nknight 15y ago
    I just downloaded Xcode Tools 1.0 from Apple's developer site, for free (I'm not a paid developer). Xcode 1.0 was released in 2003 for OS X 10.3. Also available are 1.5, 2.3, 2.4, 2.4.1, 3.0, 3.1, 3.1.1, on through to the latest 4.x versions, free for the taking. All versions prior to 4 will happily build code for PowerPC. What is it you think they're preventing anyone from doing again?
    - scrod 15y ago
      That's great. Now install one of those on Lion. And you can't run anything earlier than Lion on any Mac sold today.
      - sbuk 15y ago
        If you are compiling for PPC architectures, why are Snow Leopard/Lion of any concern? This is just a pointless whine about nothing in particular. If we all shared your attitude to the advancement of technology, we'd all still be using punch cards. The PowerPC platform is dead. They announced it's death at least 7 years ago. Move on.

by scrod 15y ago

I'm not really concerned with Apple's financial interests. I'm concerned with their software tools and their demonstrated willingness to support the hardware they sell.

nknight 15y ago

Show me a mass-market PC manufacturer that continues supporting 6 year old consumer hardware.

scrod 15y ago
Nope, don't try to shift the issue. We're talking about simply allowing others to compile code for PPC — not releasing brand new operating systems. Apple isn't merely ignoring it — they're going out of their way to prevent even third-parties from supporting it.
- nachteilig 15y ago
  I don't understand this belief that Apple should support obsolete technology. Lion is the _second_ version of OS X not to even run on PPC. Why should the developer tools they distribute for Lion support it at all?
- chc 15y ago
  They're not "going out of their way to prevent third parties from supporting it" any more than everybody else who doesn't ship an operating system with a PPC compiler. That includes Windows, most Linux distros, your grandma, the corner grocer, President Obama… Apple isn't actually stopping you from compiling for PPC. They just aren't shipping the compiler themselves. AFAIK, they don't ship any compilers for hardware they don't support — no VAX, no MIPS, no M68k — PPC is not special in that respect. I don't see what's so terrible about that.
- nknight 15y ago
  I just downloaded Xcode Tools 1.0 from Apple's developer site, for free (I'm not a paid developer). Xcode 1.0 was released in 2003 for OS X 10.3. Also available are 1.5, 2.3, 2.4, 2.4.1, 3.0, 3.1, 3.1.1, on through to the latest 4.x versions, free for the taking. All versions prior to 4 will happily build code for PowerPC. What is it you think they're preventing anyone from doing again?
  - scrod 15y ago
    That's great. Now install one of those on Lion. And you can't run anything earlier than Lion on any Mac sold today.
    - sbuk 15y ago
      If you are compiling for PPC architectures, why are Snow Leopard/Lion of any concern? This is just a pointless whine about nothing in particular. If we all shared your attitude to the advancement of technology, we'd all still be using punch cards. The PowerPC platform is dead. They announced it's death at least 7 years ago. Move on.