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They say they don’t
by bilqis 3y ago
They say they don’t
- esrauch 3y agoWhy would they possibly lie about that?
- ChatGTP 3y agoBecause they do shady shit, like, by default Copilot would "sample" code for training while using it. Maybe this is no longer the default, maybe it still is, but it was the default. This type of thing erodes trust? Why should my proprietary code be used for training by default? I was really annoyed by this.
- scrollaway 3y agoOpenAI is not the same company as GitHub, and it has always been pretty clear that chats on ChatGPT are recorded and used for training (unless you now opt out).
- ChatGTP 3y agoNot sure why you're bringing OpenAI into it. My comment and the article is about "Copilot" I'm talking about when using "Github Copilot" and you ask for a code suggestion, it would send the "context" back to GitHub / Microsoft and use that code as training. Your comment is interesting to me though because there does seem to be a surprisingly large amount of defending OpenAI going on. Almost seems automatic now.
- EwanToo 3y agoBecause Github Copilot is an interface into OpenAI Codex: "GitHub Copilot is powered by OpenAI Codex, a new AI system created by OpenAI." https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/overview-of-github-copilot/about-github-copilot-for-individuals https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/overview-of-github-copilo...
- semiquaver 3y ago> it would send the "context" back to GitHub / Microsoft Because this is fundamentally how the system works. The context is the prompt. > and use that code as training This part has never been true. It’s not how these systems work. Do you have anything to back up your claim?
- az226 3y agoI’m sure you think this is a clever reply but the reality is that GitHub wouldn’t even begin to think if that were even technically possible. If it got out that it trained on confidential customer data, it would be game over. The risk is so stupidly large nobody in their right mind would take it. So yeah, if they say they don’t, they don’t.
- account42 3y agoYet its ok to train of copyleft code?
- aleph_minus_one 3y agoCopyleft code is (typically) not confidential.
- unreal37 3y agoI don't understand why people just automatically doubt things that companies say when they can be sued (or would otherwise destroy their business) if they are lying about it. Seems unnecessarily pessimistic.
- bilqis 3y agoBut will that actually be against ToS or copyright? Many people tend to say that copilot learning from OSS doesn’t infringe any copyright and is no different from a person just learning from someone else’s work. So how is it different if copilot is learning from private repositories? Or eg from leaked source code?
- circuit10 3y agoIsn’t it illegal to learn from leaked source code? Or even to view it at all?
- alwaysbeconsing 3y agoIt is not, at least in the US. Distribution is illegal; possession may or may not be prosecuted; and if you read the code and provably reuse it or make use of trade secrets you could lose a lawsuit. But if you "somehow" have access and don't do anything associated with the code, the basic act of reading it carries no penalties.
- Timwi 3y agoI fully expect the answer to this vary wildly from jurisdiction to jurisdiction.
- nindalf 3y agoI'm frequently told on HN that Big Tech would willingly, flagrantly violate GDPR like its nothing. Even if the upside of collecting that info was minimal and the downside was 4% of global revenue. I guess if they can do that, then what's a small lie about private repos between friends.