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where are they gonna go when few allow wfh?

nlnn 3y ago
Even if none allow WFH, they might go somewhere with less of a commute, or to a more trustworthy employer that doesn't backtrack on promises.
- scarface74 3y ago
  People are still acting like the current job environment doesn’t suck. Where are these trustworthy companies currently that aren’t also announcing layoffs or that you can count on not to have layoffs?
  - nlnn 3y ago
    I don't think you can count of any company not to have layoffs, that's quite dependant on the economy, company performance, sector, etc. If a company promised no layoffs ever, I wouldn't believe them. But if they promised to continue WFH, I'd believe them, since that's directly under their control.
    - scarface74 3y ago
      No you can’t. But the odds are better for not having layoffs if they are actually profitable.
komali2 3y ago
So many allow WFH. There's thousands of open software positions in SF alone, and plenty are ok with remote. Some are even ok with me being in the taiwan time zone. I'm managed to stay consistently employed in the Taiwan time zone with SF and NYC based jobs the last 2.5 years.
landswipe 3y ago
In my case, more than likely change industries.
gtirloni 3y ago
Aside from FAANG, there's no evidence this trend is picking up. In fact, I bet all the people that got laid off recently will be happily hired by remote first companies very quickly.
- scarface74 3y ago
  You mean all of the “remote first” companies that are profitable and not struggling?
  - Nasrudith 3y ago
    Most employment is from small businesses, by the numbers. Most small businesses are struggling-to-fragile at best as most fail. The "not paying for office space is a sizable plus" contingent alone would give a substantial number of WFH jobs Counterintuitively there are loads of jobs from the companies who are struggling.
    - scarface74 3y ago
      And how many employees at Dell would risk working for a small struggling employee in this market? Would that small employee pay as much? This is my third time seeing this type of job market (2000, 2008 being the other two). This is the time where there is a “flight to quality”.
      - gtirloni 3y ago
        > And how many employees at Dell would risk working for a small struggling employee in this market? The laid off ones.
        scarface74 3y ago
        In that case, they by definition aren’t “employees at Dell”.
  - gtirloni 3y ago
dmitrygr 3y ago
Curiously, for some candidates, almost every letter of the FAANG, WILL give a full WFH offer, today, and they are willing to put this down with ink on paper. Source: have a few of those on my desk right now.

nlnn 3y ago

Even if none allow WFH, they might go somewhere with less of a commute, or to a more trustworthy employer that doesn't backtrack on promises.

scarface74 3y ago
People are still acting like the current job environment doesn’t suck. Where are these trustworthy companies currently that aren’t also announcing layoffs or that you can count on not to have layoffs?
- nlnn 3y ago
  I don't think you can count of any company not to have layoffs, that's quite dependant on the economy, company performance, sector, etc. If a company promised no layoffs ever, I wouldn't believe them. But if they promised to continue WFH, I'd believe them, since that's directly under their control.
  - scarface74 3y ago
    No you can’t. But the odds are better for not having layoffs if they are actually profitable.

komali2 3y ago

So many allow WFH. There's thousands of open software positions in SF alone, and plenty are ok with remote. Some are even ok with me being in the taiwan time zone. I'm managed to stay consistently employed in the Taiwan time zone with SF and NYC based jobs the last 2.5 years.

landswipe 3y ago

In my case, more than likely change industries.

gtirloni 3y ago

Aside from FAANG, there's no evidence this trend is picking up. In fact, I bet all the people that got laid off recently will be happily hired by remote first companies very quickly.

scarface74 3y ago
You mean all of the “remote first” companies that are profitable and not struggling?
- Nasrudith 3y ago
  Most employment is from small businesses, by the numbers. Most small businesses are struggling-to-fragile at best as most fail. The "not paying for office space is a sizable plus" contingent alone would give a substantial number of WFH jobs Counterintuitively there are loads of jobs from the companies who are struggling.
  - scarface74 3y ago
    And how many employees at Dell would risk working for a small struggling employee in this market? Would that small employee pay as much? This is my third time seeing this type of job market (2000, 2008 being the other two). This is the time where there is a “flight to quality”.
    - gtirloni 3y ago
      > And how many employees at Dell would risk working for a small struggling employee in this market? The laid off ones.
      - scarface74 3y ago
        In that case, they by definition aren’t “employees at Dell”.
- gtirloni 3y ago

dmitrygr 3y ago

Curiously, for some candidates, almost every letter of the FAANG, WILL give a full WFH offer, today, and they are willing to put this down with ink on paper. Source: have a few of those on my desk right now.