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> “I strongly believe the office experience should be at the same level as luxury residential and hospitality,” Shvo previously told The Chronicle. “In the last

> “I strongly believe the office experience should be at the same level as luxury residential and hospitality,” Shvo previously told The Chronicle. “In the last two years, we’ve made our homes into our offices, now it’s time to make our offices feel like our homes.” Private bathrooms for every employee? No commute? The office can never "feel like my home", my home doesn't have my co-workers in it. It's an environment 100% of my design.

cameldrv 3y ago
Maybe not, but if office rents are really going to be way down, it's possible to give developers private offices again.
- wootland 3y ago
  I can only speak for myself but I would never work non-remote again, even if I had my own private office.
  - wahnfrieden 3y ago
    Covid WFH took me further - I would never work again if I can help it
  - azemetre 3y ago
    I wouldn't mind working remote if my commute is walkable. I purposely live in Boston to have access to the T, but many companies in Boston are opening up offices in Seaport which is the most awkward place to get to using public transit.
    - aquajet 3y ago
      When I worked in Seaport i'd just walk from south station
      - azemetre 3y ago
        The issue is that most offices (especially the bio/chemistry ones) are at the far end, also the silver line blows; unless your office is less than a one mile radius (even then depending on the street it can be painful) it's just a bad time.
    - mock-possum 3y ago
      Yeah same, if I just had to walk 5 or 6 blocks to get to work, I’d probably go for it. Walk home for lunch. Sounds pretty alright.
  - el_benhameen 3y ago
    I’ve been fully remote since before the pandemic, and I have a dedicated home office, but a private office space would help me at least consider spending some of my time in the office. Being away from the responsibilities of home can help with focus. Wouldn’t consider a mandatory or full-time return to office, though.
    - bombcar 3y ago
      I've never had to work in an actual cube farm or open concept (the one time I was technically in a cube farm was when I was one of five people in a farm built for 50+) but a private office is nice in ways you just can't really articulate. We had a nice setup for awhile that was a central meeting/conference/open area, with offices all around it, each of which had a large window looking at the meeting area. You could close a curtain if you really needed to, but otherwise it was sound-proof; people could easily see if you were available but you could work privately, make calls, etc. I'd be willing to consider commuting for something like that again in the right job.
  - bastardoperator 3y ago
    Same, I built my own private office and I don't have to deal with traffic to get to it, or deal with constant interrupts because other people have decided they're not working so I shouldn't either. My productivity is through the roof since going fully remote 6 years ago.
  - prpl 3y ago
    Can I ask about your home life? Do you have, or expect to have: partner, parents, roommates, children, pets?
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  Owners who hate the lack of oversight with WFH are not the ones who like private offices with doors for workers. They don't mandate RTO out of concern for your privacy and ability to focus.
georgeecollins 3y ago
I think I will go into the office if it is nice enough. A few years before the pandemic I started working for an old school company with offices including doors, windows, nice furniture and privacy. Now we mix in office and remote work but I don't mind going to the office because I can be more focused there. When I look back over past jobs, the question I wish I had asked more in advance is where will I sit here? I am never going to work in a barn again. It's not just about open plan seating, which has pros and cons. But when the company stacks people like boxes, it turns out they think of you as something fungible.
- wildrhythms 3y ago
  Ironically, my employer, which is starting to demand RTO, is taking away many office amenities and even forcing people to alternate days and share desks. The higherups are making the offices worse and thinking people want to come back to that. Their heads are so far up their own asses it's amazing.
908B64B197 3y ago
I remember touring Apple Park not long after it was opened and thinking that it made everyone else's offices look so... dated.

cameldrv 3y ago

Maybe not, but if office rents are really going to be way down, it's possible to give developers private offices again.

wootland 3y ago
I can only speak for myself but I would never work non-remote again, even if I had my own private office.
- wahnfrieden 3y ago
  Covid WFH took me further - I would never work again if I can help it
- azemetre 3y ago
  I wouldn't mind working remote if my commute is walkable. I purposely live in Boston to have access to the T, but many companies in Boston are opening up offices in Seaport which is the most awkward place to get to using public transit.
  - aquajet 3y ago
    When I worked in Seaport i'd just walk from south station
    - azemetre 3y ago
      The issue is that most offices (especially the bio/chemistry ones) are at the far end, also the silver line blows; unless your office is less than a one mile radius (even then depending on the street it can be painful) it's just a bad time.
  - mock-possum 3y ago
    Yeah same, if I just had to walk 5 or 6 blocks to get to work, I’d probably go for it. Walk home for lunch. Sounds pretty alright.
- el_benhameen 3y ago
  I’ve been fully remote since before the pandemic, and I have a dedicated home office, but a private office space would help me at least consider spending some of my time in the office. Being away from the responsibilities of home can help with focus. Wouldn’t consider a mandatory or full-time return to office, though.
  - bombcar 3y ago
    I've never had to work in an actual cube farm or open concept (the one time I was technically in a cube farm was when I was one of five people in a farm built for 50+) but a private office is nice in ways you just can't really articulate. We had a nice setup for awhile that was a central meeting/conference/open area, with offices all around it, each of which had a large window looking at the meeting area. You could close a curtain if you really needed to, but otherwise it was sound-proof; people could easily see if you were available but you could work privately, make calls, etc. I'd be willing to consider commuting for something like that again in the right job.
- bastardoperator 3y ago
  Same, I built my own private office and I don't have to deal with traffic to get to it, or deal with constant interrupts because other people have decided they're not working so I shouldn't either. My productivity is through the roof since going fully remote 6 years ago.
- prpl 3y ago
  Can I ask about your home life? Do you have, or expect to have: partner, parents, roommates, children, pets?
wahnfrieden 3y ago
Owners who hate the lack of oversight with WFH are not the ones who like private offices with doors for workers. They don't mandate RTO out of concern for your privacy and ability to focus.

georgeecollins 3y ago

I think I will go into the office if it is nice enough. A few years before the pandemic I started working for an old school company with offices including doors, windows, nice furniture and privacy. Now we mix in office and remote work but I don't mind going to the office because I can be more focused there. When I look back over past jobs, the question I wish I had asked more in advance is where will I sit here? I am never going to work in a barn again. It's not just about open plan seating, which has pros and cons. But when the company stacks people like boxes, it turns out they think of you as something fungible.

wildrhythms 3y ago
Ironically, my employer, which is starting to demand RTO, is taking away many office amenities and even forcing people to alternate days and share desks. The higherups are making the offices worse and thinking people want to come back to that. Their heads are so far up their own asses it's amazing.

908B64B197 3y ago

I remember touring Apple Park not long after it was opened and thinking that it made everyone else's offices look so... dated.