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I feel like it's not only products that get left behind once Google gets bored. Many of Google's software eventually get worse too. YouTube for example has kil

I feel like it's not only products that get left behind once Google gets bored. Many of Google's software eventually get worse too. YouTube for example has killed most of their social features by removing dislikes, limited searchability of videos by channel, allowed bots to fill the comments. And Google search has so much malware in their ads that pop up first, that even govts are recommending ad blockers by default. Such a pity, Google used to be the most respected of the SV big tech.

hackernewds 3y ago
I had to delete the YouTube app simply because there was no way to disable Shorts. Those things are hopelessly addictive and unavoidable. If I wanted shorts, I'd install TikTok.
- dangus 3y ago
  Shorts are displayed on one single line of the home and subscriptions tab. They’re trivially easy to avoid.
- grapesurgeon 3y ago
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- Drakim 3y ago
  It's crazy, when I remove the YouTube Shorts pane it says "Shelf will be hidden for 30 days". It feels like a slap to the face by some promotion seeking Google Manager who tells me that he knows better than me. It's crazy. I didn't stop using YouTube like you did but I was darn close. I guess they do know better than me, in a way.
  - zo1 3y ago
    They also are very slowly "injecting" shorts everywhere. I'm randomly browsing the feed, not shorts, click on something and before I know it, I'm watching shorts. And yeah, they also recently added a shorts "pane" on the side of normal videos.
  - robin_reala 3y ago
    It’s the same in Instagram: removing recommended posts only has an option to remove for 30 days. The consistent enshittification of products with these sorts of behaviours just makes me want to use them less. Unfortunately I’m sure they’ve got data that shows that my reaction is a minority.
    - netsharc 3y ago
      Black Mirror anyone? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=99&v=5P_HqwgDFJM https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=99&v=5P_HqwgDFJM Fascinatingly this content is narrated by a robot voice...
  - netsharc 3y ago
    On Android you can install https://newpipe.net https://newpipe.net and turn off a lot of things: no more trending/start screen recommendations if you don't want them, you can turn off comments, or "watch next" recommendations.. the shorts show up in the search results like other normal videos, with a slider so you can still navigate it.
    - vxNsr 3y ago
      I know this is an unpopular question, but are there ads in newpipe?
      - simfree 3y ago
        Nope, there are zero ads in NewPipe. No ad blocker needed!
- deleted 3y ago
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- txtsd 3y ago
  Try YouTube Revanced from https://revanced.net/ https://revanced.net/
  - grapesurgeon 3y ago
    this is NOT the actual domain. do not share this around. the only domain is https://revanced.app https://revanced.app, and it will redirect to their github.
    - Austin38 3y ago
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  - cmehdy 3y ago
    I'm pretty sure revanced.net is not affiliated with the actual project and shouldn't be trusted. AFAIK there's no prebuilt APK doing everything for you that can be trusted, it's a multi-step process one has to follow front the official source. The official Github is https://github.com/revanced https://github.com/revanced The Github is very obtuse about the installation steps, so this guide on reddit gives the procedure more adequately: https://www.reddit.com/r/revancedapp/comments/xlcny9/revanced_manager_guide_for_dummies/ https://www.reddit.com/r/revancedapp/comments/xlcny9/revance...
- SoftTalker 3y ago
  I'm annoyed by the inability to hide shorts but I don't really find them addictive. I've watched a few, determined they were as useless as they appeared, and just ignore them. But it's annoying the amount of space they take up, it's a good third of the screen on my phone.
cogman10 3y ago
Google is just shit. As my company briefly decided to look into using them for a cloud provider it quickly became apparent that they are just awful stewards of any software that isn’t related to advertisements. It’s beyond shocking how amateurish GCP is being operated. My assumption is it comes down to really awful leadership. They only care about making and selling new things. You simply can’t trust that any piece of software or hardware will receive ongoing support, including their cloud offerings.
- osigurdson 3y ago
  That is interesting, I thought GCP might be a good alternative - at least for managed Kubernetes.
  - oittaa 3y ago
    It's probably the best managed Kubernetes out there. People just like to make hyperboles. The consumer stuff, especially the free ones, get abandoned every now and then, but the "enterprise" services are pretty good.
  - DangitBobby 3y ago
    GCP is excellent.
    - toast0 3y ago
      GCP is clearly good if your use cases match their services. However, there are a lot of things that are sub-optimal. IPv6 doesn't have non-premium networking. Premium networking is nice, but non-premium networking is less expensive. Instances sometimes take more than 5 minutes to shutdown. A lot of things seem very slow like this. Really frustrating to use for testing when it takes so long to bring an environment up and to clean it afterwards. Load balancing is hard to use outside of http style short connection use cases. There's no load feedback mechanism, and at small request rates, requests are severely unbalanced anyway. Managed instance groups can auto scale downwards, but connection drain is implemented as take it out of rotation and wait a configurable time and destroy the instance. If the instance drains faster, it won't be destroyed faster. If you want to drain for more than 60 minutes, that's too bad (this isn't that unreasonable, but while I'm ranting...) Google's container optimized OS has documentation that tells you how to configure docker log retention... But then their container runner (konlet) forces their own log settings for the main container, so your settings are ignored.
kps 3y ago
> I feel like it's not only products that get left behind once Google gets bored. As someone who had been working at Google in this space (Nest Hubs, Matter, and planned thing I couldn't tell you about even if I knew its current status) until the decimation, I assure you it's not only products that get left behind.
- ChuckNorris89 3y ago
  >I assure you it's not only products that get left behind. Could you please enlighten us what else gets left behind?
  - mcsniff 3y ago
    People.
  - 23B1 3y ago
    Ethics
pedrobnsilva 3y ago
Agreed. See this across all of Google products. It's amazing to me that Google Assistant was more useful when it came out than it is today. Just the past few days I've been dealing with this bug where I can't even set an alarm through it. Google Photos is another one: content-based search used to work really well, but totally unreliable today.
riemannzeta 3y ago
Not allowing good search within a channel is the most ridiculous. They're a search company. How is that self-consistent? Especially when you know they have the data and index, but are simply using it for advertising.
- pb060 3y ago
  They are a search company, yet they decided to give the same name to two completely different web frameworks. Ok one is called AngularJS and the other one is Angular, but still.

hackernewds 3y ago

I had to delete the YouTube app simply because there was no way to disable Shorts. Those things are hopelessly addictive and unavoidable. If I wanted shorts, I'd install TikTok.

dangus 3y ago
Shorts are displayed on one single line of the home and subscriptions tab. They’re trivially easy to avoid.
grapesurgeon 3y ago
[dead]
Drakim 3y ago
It's crazy, when I remove the YouTube Shorts pane it says "Shelf will be hidden for 30 days". It feels like a slap to the face by some promotion seeking Google Manager who tells me that he knows better than me. It's crazy. I didn't stop using YouTube like you did but I was darn close. I guess they do know better than me, in a way.
- zo1 3y ago
  They also are very slowly "injecting" shorts everywhere. I'm randomly browsing the feed, not shorts, click on something and before I know it, I'm watching shorts. And yeah, they also recently added a shorts "pane" on the side of normal videos.
- robin_reala 3y ago
  It’s the same in Instagram: removing recommended posts only has an option to remove for 30 days. The consistent enshittification of products with these sorts of behaviours just makes me want to use them less. Unfortunately I’m sure they’ve got data that shows that my reaction is a minority.
  - netsharc 3y ago
    Black Mirror anyone? https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=99&v=5P_HqwgDFJM https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=99&v=5P_HqwgDFJM Fascinatingly this content is narrated by a robot voice...
- netsharc 3y ago
  On Android you can install https://newpipe.net https://newpipe.net and turn off a lot of things: no more trending/start screen recommendations if you don't want them, you can turn off comments, or "watch next" recommendations.. the shorts show up in the search results like other normal videos, with a slider so you can still navigate it.
  - vxNsr 3y ago
    I know this is an unpopular question, but are there ads in newpipe?
    - simfree 3y ago
      Nope, there are zero ads in NewPipe. No ad blocker needed!
deleted 3y ago
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txtsd 3y ago
Try YouTube Revanced from https://revanced.net/ https://revanced.net/
- grapesurgeon 3y ago
  this is NOT the actual domain. do not share this around. the only domain is https://revanced.app https://revanced.app, and it will redirect to their github.
  - Austin38 3y ago
    [dead]
- cmehdy 3y ago
  I'm pretty sure revanced.net is not affiliated with the actual project and shouldn't be trusted. AFAIK there's no prebuilt APK doing everything for you that can be trusted, it's a multi-step process one has to follow front the official source. The official Github is https://github.com/revanced https://github.com/revanced The Github is very obtuse about the installation steps, so this guide on reddit gives the procedure more adequately: https://www.reddit.com/r/revancedapp/comments/xlcny9/revanced_manager_guide_for_dummies/ https://www.reddit.com/r/revancedapp/comments/xlcny9/revance...
SoftTalker 3y ago
I'm annoyed by the inability to hide shorts but I don't really find them addictive. I've watched a few, determined they were as useless as they appeared, and just ignore them. But it's annoying the amount of space they take up, it's a good third of the screen on my phone.

cogman10 3y ago

Google is just shit. As my company briefly decided to look into using them for a cloud provider it quickly became apparent that they are just awful stewards of any software that isn’t related to advertisements. It’s beyond shocking how amateurish GCP is being operated. My assumption is it comes down to really awful leadership. They only care about making and selling new things. You simply can’t trust that any piece of software or hardware will receive ongoing support, including their cloud offerings.

osigurdson 3y ago
That is interesting, I thought GCP might be a good alternative - at least for managed Kubernetes.
- oittaa 3y ago
  It's probably the best managed Kubernetes out there. People just like to make hyperboles. The consumer stuff, especially the free ones, get abandoned every now and then, but the "enterprise" services are pretty good.
- DangitBobby 3y ago
  GCP is excellent.
  - toast0 3y ago
    GCP is clearly good if your use cases match their services. However, there are a lot of things that are sub-optimal. IPv6 doesn't have non-premium networking. Premium networking is nice, but non-premium networking is less expensive. Instances sometimes take more than 5 minutes to shutdown. A lot of things seem very slow like this. Really frustrating to use for testing when it takes so long to bring an environment up and to clean it afterwards. Load balancing is hard to use outside of http style short connection use cases. There's no load feedback mechanism, and at small request rates, requests are severely unbalanced anyway. Managed instance groups can auto scale downwards, but connection drain is implemented as take it out of rotation and wait a configurable time and destroy the instance. If the instance drains faster, it won't be destroyed faster. If you want to drain for more than 60 minutes, that's too bad (this isn't that unreasonable, but while I'm ranting...) Google's container optimized OS has documentation that tells you how to configure docker log retention... But then their container runner (konlet) forces their own log settings for the main container, so your settings are ignored.

kps 3y ago

> I feel like it's not only products that get left behind once Google gets bored. As someone who had been working at Google in this space (Nest Hubs, Matter, and planned thing I couldn't tell you about even if I knew its current status) until the decimation, I assure you it's not only products that get left behind.

ChuckNorris89 3y ago
>I assure you it's not only products that get left behind. Could you please enlighten us what else gets left behind?
- mcsniff 3y ago
  People.
- 23B1 3y ago
  Ethics

pedrobnsilva 3y ago

Agreed. See this across all of Google products. It's amazing to me that Google Assistant was more useful when it came out than it is today. Just the past few days I've been dealing with this bug where I can't even set an alarm through it. Google Photos is another one: content-based search used to work really well, but totally unreliable today.

riemannzeta 3y ago

Not allowing good search within a channel is the most ridiculous. They're a search company. How is that self-consistent? Especially when you know they have the data and index, but are simply using it for advertising.

pb060 3y ago
They are a search company, yet they decided to give the same name to two completely different web frameworks. Ok one is called AngularJS and the other one is Angular, but still.