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I've been using Linux long enough that I was around for KDE 3 and KDE 4. I did not enjoy using them, but I love 5. I'm nervous about this upgrade. I can't th

by htag 3y ago

I've been using Linux long enough that I was around for KDE 3 and KDE 4. I did not enjoy using them, but I love 5. I'm nervous about this upgrade. I can't think of anything I want that would merit a major version upgrade.

cardanome 3y ago
Oh, KDE 3.5 was amazing. When KDE 4 came, I packed my stuff and never looked back. Good to hear KDE 5 is doing fine at least, let us hope for the best. I get that many people are more excited about rewriting stuff than fixing bugs but oh man is the risk is rarely ever worth it. If you have a good thing going, don't kill your golden goose.
- fmntf 3y ago
  I feel the same. The widgets/cashew stuff was totally insane.
kps 3y ago
People used to look forward to software updates. How did it come to this?
- II2II 3y ago
  I get the impression that attitudes are starting to shift back to anticipation, but I suspect that many people are still leery due to the disruptive changes brought by KDE 4, Gnome 3, and Python 3 (to name three projects that immediately come to my mind). Of course, those weren't the only products affected and open source software wasn't the only thing affected. The years around 2010 felt a bit like the early 1990's, with the distinct difference that disruptive change in the early 1990's brought with it quality of life improvements that were more often well received. Now that software is starting to mature again (at least in my mind, and at least with open source projects), changes are more welcome. Watching updates is more interesting because the bullet points look interesting from a utility standpoint rather than a drama standpoint.
- Barrin92 3y ago
  on specific consumer products people tended to look forward and probably still do. On major framework, user interface or OS changes which KDE falls into I think people always have always been at best ambivalent about. The reason is pretty straight forward. If you break something at that level you tend to break almost everything, and people have spent a lot of time building stuff on top. Shaking that in a big way is always risky. People tend to be more conservative the more you go towards the bottom of the stack.
- felixg3 3y ago
  When I was younger (in my teens, early twenties), I looked forward to every feature upgrade. Now I’m getting anxious at breaking changes and upgrade paths and every new major release of RHEL/Debian makes me a bit sweaty and they feel so quick (what, Debian 12 is coming out this year? I just migrated to 11 last year.) Now I’m an old grumpy 29 year old man yelling at the cloud.
emilsedgh 3y ago
There are a couple of reasons not to worry about this upgrade: A. 3 -> 4 required very very significant changes. 4 -> 5 and now 5 -> 6 are nowhere near that. B. KDE really learnt their lesson on this and they are very careful not to create anything similar to that. Thus, not big rewrite/changes like 3 -> 4 are in the works. This is just to get the whole project going with Qt 6 which isn't that much different from Qt 5. Edit: Disclaimer, I used to be a very minor contributor to KDE around 3 -> 4 time.

by htag 3y ago

cardanome 3y ago

Oh, KDE 3.5 was amazing. When KDE 4 came, I packed my stuff and never looked back. Good to hear KDE 5 is doing fine at least, let us hope for the best. I get that many people are more excited about rewriting stuff than fixing bugs but oh man is the risk is rarely ever worth it. If you have a good thing going, don't kill your golden goose.

fmntf 3y ago
I feel the same. The widgets/cashew stuff was totally insane.

kps 3y ago

People used to look forward to software updates. How did it come to this?

II2II 3y ago
I get the impression that attitudes are starting to shift back to anticipation, but I suspect that many people are still leery due to the disruptive changes brought by KDE 4, Gnome 3, and Python 3 (to name three projects that immediately come to my mind). Of course, those weren't the only products affected and open source software wasn't the only thing affected. The years around 2010 felt a bit like the early 1990's, with the distinct difference that disruptive change in the early 1990's brought with it quality of life improvements that were more often well received. Now that software is starting to mature again (at least in my mind, and at least with open source projects), changes are more welcome. Watching updates is more interesting because the bullet points look interesting from a utility standpoint rather than a drama standpoint.
Barrin92 3y ago
on specific consumer products people tended to look forward and probably still do. On major framework, user interface or OS changes which KDE falls into I think people always have always been at best ambivalent about. The reason is pretty straight forward. If you break something at that level you tend to break almost everything, and people have spent a lot of time building stuff on top. Shaking that in a big way is always risky. People tend to be more conservative the more you go towards the bottom of the stack.
felixg3 3y ago
When I was younger (in my teens, early twenties), I looked forward to every feature upgrade. Now I’m getting anxious at breaking changes and upgrade paths and every new major release of RHEL/Debian makes me a bit sweaty and they feel so quick (what, Debian 12 is coming out this year? I just migrated to 11 last year.) Now I’m an old grumpy 29 year old man yelling at the cloud.

emilsedgh 3y ago

There are a couple of reasons not to worry about this upgrade: A. 3 -> 4 required very very significant changes. 4 -> 5 and now 5 -> 6 are nowhere near that. B. KDE really learnt their lesson on this and they are very careful not to create anything similar to that. Thus, not big rewrite/changes like 3 -> 4 are in the works. This is just to get the whole project going with Qt 6 which isn't that much different from Qt 5. Edit: Disclaimer, I used to be a very minor contributor to KDE around 3 -> 4 time.