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I think both are valid points: Finland has less inhabitants than London and besides maybe from Swedes, Russians and Lapps no large minority groups, of which the

I think both are valid points: Finland has less inhabitants than London and besides maybe from Swedes, Russians and Lapps no large minority groups, of which the aforementioned most likely don’t instill ambiguity about how they obtained their citizenship and why. Studies show that homogenous countries have less objections to social welfare programs aka income redistribution [0]. [0] https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/working-paper-14-3.pdf https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/working-p...

ChuckNorris89 3y ago
>less objections to social welfare programs aka wealth distribution Welfare programs are not wealth redistribution but income redistribution.
- throwaway45631 3y ago
  Sorry, not a native speaker and in a hurry. Edited it. Thanks
arcticbull 3y ago
What does size have to do with anything? Nobody's saying you spend the same amount or provide the same number of houses - you can scale it up to meet the larger population eh?
- throwaway45631 3y ago
  Of course size matters. Finland’s homelessness likely coalesces around its largest urban areas, as they provide the most foot traffic and anonymity (and homeless services) with the least annoyed population. Like in every country. So most likely Helsinki. If your pool of possible homeless is 5M and they gather in a city the size of 600k it is a hugely different situation than say San Francisco, which is 800k and draws from 330M possible homeless
  - arcticbull 3y ago
    Do homeless people not congregate in cities in the US? So just scale up the effort, I don't get it lol. You may have to do more in certain cities than others, and yeah the program may need to span states.
  - Jedd 3y ago
    > If your pool of possible homeless is 5M and they gather in a city the size of 600k it is a hugely different situation than say San Francisco, which is 800k and draws from 330M possible homeless I'm struggling to follow your logic here. The 'possible homeless' would not be total population of a country - if it is, you've got more urgent problems. I think in the USA the number's around 500,000, or about 0.2%, yeah? There's more than one city in Finland, but even if there wasn't (but there really is!) there's definitely more than one big city in the USA, so I don't understand that extrapolation to 'all the homeless will move to San Fran'. And even if they did, you've still got the considerable resources of the USA [0] that could be brought to bear on the problem. The fact that the problem is distributed quite widely, and definitely not exclusive to large urban centers[1] should make it easier. [0] https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/category/military/ https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/category/military... [1] https://www.security.org/resources/homeless-statistics/#regional https://www.security.org/resources/homeless-statistics/#regi...

ChuckNorris89 3y ago

>less objections to social welfare programs aka wealth distribution Welfare programs are not wealth redistribution but income redistribution.

throwaway45631 3y ago
Sorry, not a native speaker and in a hurry. Edited it. Thanks

arcticbull 3y ago

What does size have to do with anything? Nobody's saying you spend the same amount or provide the same number of houses - you can scale it up to meet the larger population eh?

throwaway45631 3y ago
Of course size matters. Finland’s homelessness likely coalesces around its largest urban areas, as they provide the most foot traffic and anonymity (and homeless services) with the least annoyed population. Like in every country. So most likely Helsinki. If your pool of possible homeless is 5M and they gather in a city the size of 600k it is a hugely different situation than say San Francisco, which is 800k and draws from 330M possible homeless
- arcticbull 3y ago
  Do homeless people not congregate in cities in the US? So just scale up the effort, I don't get it lol. You may have to do more in certain cities than others, and yeah the program may need to span states.
- Jedd 3y ago
  > If your pool of possible homeless is 5M and they gather in a city the size of 600k it is a hugely different situation than say San Francisco, which is 800k and draws from 330M possible homeless I'm struggling to follow your logic here. The 'possible homeless' would not be total population of a country - if it is, you've got more urgent problems. I think in the USA the number's around 500,000, or about 0.2%, yeah? There's more than one city in Finland, but even if there wasn't (but there really is!) there's definitely more than one big city in the USA, so I don't understand that extrapolation to 'all the homeless will move to San Fran'. And even if they did, you've still got the considerable resources of the USA [0] that could be brought to bear on the problem. The fact that the problem is distributed quite widely, and definitely not exclusive to large urban centers[1] should make it easier. [0] https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/category/military/ https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/category/military... [1] https://www.security.org/resources/homeless-statistics/#regional https://www.security.org/resources/homeless-statistics/#regi...