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They are indeed driving around SF this very minute causing unique disruptions, roughly two per day last year: https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports

They are indeed driving around SF this very minute causing unique disruptions, roughly two per day last year: https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-documents/2023/01/2023.01.25_ccsf_23.0125_cpuc_cruise_tier_2_advice_letter_protest_002.pdf https://www.sfmta.com/sites/default/files/reports-and-docume... https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2023/self-driving-cars/ https://www.sfchronicle.com/projects/2023/self-driving-cars/ https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/san-francisco-waymo-stopped-in-street-17890821.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/san-francisco-wa...

jdminhbg 3y ago
Guess how many disruptions humans are causing per day in SF
v0idzer0 3y ago
I love when people share this stat not realizing they’re proving these vehicles are already better drivers than humans. A human disrupts traffic on the road in front of my home every 10 minutes
- chrsjxn 3y ago
  That's just a local bias. I used to live where a street turned from two-way to one-way, and people drove the wrong way all the time. But that doesn't change the fact that human beings are extremely safe drivers. NHTSA reports less than 2 deaths per 100 million miles driven each year from 2010 to 2020: https://cdan.nhtsa.gov/tsftables/National%20Statistics.pdf https://cdan.nhtsa.gov/tsftables/National%20Statistics.pdf
  - danielmarkbruce 3y ago
    Safe compared to Waymo?
    - smcleod 3y ago
      Driverless cars aren't the solution to a lot of the problems their companies market them for. Work and shop local. Build public infrastructure. Mo cars - Way Mo problems.
    - chrsjxn 3y ago
      Feel free to check my math, but Waymo's 2 accidents in 1,000,000 driverless miles (https://blog.waymo.com/2023/02/first-million-rider-only-miles-how.html https://blog.waymo.com/2023/02/first-million-rider-only-mile...) is higher than the rate for human drivers in any of the years from my quick NHTSA stats search. They've had no fatalities, which is great (and certainly better than other "self-driving" car options)! But it's hard to make really good comparisons as long as Waymo is off by a factor of millions of miles.
- wlonkly 3y ago
  They should take away their driver's license!
fwungy 3y ago
Without knowing the VMT of driverless vehicles it's impossible to compare their safety to drivered vehicles.

jdminhbg 3y ago

Guess how many disruptions humans are causing per day in SF

v0idzer0 3y ago

I love when people share this stat not realizing they’re proving these vehicles are already better drivers than humans. A human disrupts traffic on the road in front of my home every 10 minutes

chrsjxn 3y ago
That's just a local bias. I used to live where a street turned from two-way to one-way, and people drove the wrong way all the time. But that doesn't change the fact that human beings are extremely safe drivers. NHTSA reports less than 2 deaths per 100 million miles driven each year from 2010 to 2020: https://cdan.nhtsa.gov/tsftables/National%20Statistics.pdf https://cdan.nhtsa.gov/tsftables/National%20Statistics.pdf
- danielmarkbruce 3y ago
  Safe compared to Waymo?
  - smcleod 3y ago
    Driverless cars aren't the solution to a lot of the problems their companies market them for. Work and shop local. Build public infrastructure. Mo cars - Way Mo problems.
  - chrsjxn 3y ago
    Feel free to check my math, but Waymo's 2 accidents in 1,000,000 driverless miles (https://blog.waymo.com/2023/02/first-million-rider-only-miles-how.html https://blog.waymo.com/2023/02/first-million-rider-only-mile...) is higher than the rate for human drivers in any of the years from my quick NHTSA stats search. They've had no fatalities, which is great (and certainly better than other "self-driving" car options)! But it's hard to make really good comparisons as long as Waymo is off by a factor of millions of miles.
wlonkly 3y ago
They should take away their driver's license!

fwungy 3y ago

Without knowing the VMT of driverless vehicles it's impossible to compare their safety to drivered vehicles.