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If Cloudflare has decided that Firefox is a "non-mainstream browser" and is applying a penalty to its users, then Cloudflare is the problem.

by clowd 3y ago

hammyhavoc 3y ago
The end user chose to use Firefox. The service provider is free to do as they please, it's their infrastructure and your access to it is at their discretion. Don't like it? Use Privacy Pass or pick another set of compromises. With that said, when I was still willing to subject myself to Mozilla in any form, I never found CloudFlare to be a problem, and I've used it since it launched. If people use Firefox, they're probably a privacy wonk LARPing an imagined threat model, and are using a shitty cheap VPN used by countless attackers, it's unlikely to be the browser itself unless they're doing something weird with extensions.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > Don't like it? Use Privacy Pass or pick another set of compromises Nah. I'll just not use the website. They obviously don't want me there anyway.
  - jeroenhd 3y ago
    I've done this, with CAPTCHA screens and advertiser-induced cookie stalking. The worst offenders end up in PiHole. I'm sure nobody cares about my blocks, but we've got to start somewhere if we want websites to change their behaviour.
  - hammyhavoc 3y ago
    And yet only the other day you posted a link to a site behind CloudFlare: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35643933 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35643933 I'm confident you use CloudFlare every day, many times per day.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      I'm sure I do. What I meant was that when I hit a snag with a captcha, I'll just move on. I'm not going to wrestle with it. I can take a hint.
  - Brian_K_White 3y ago
    this is the way
- clowd 3y ago
  > If people use Firefox, they're probably a privacy wonk LARPing an imagined threat model, and are using a shitty cheap VPN used by countless attackers What kind of nonsense is this? Firefox is a mainstream browser used by millions of people every day. Maybe you're confusing it with Tor?

If Cloudflare has decided that Firefox is a "non-mainstream browser" and is applying a penalty to its users, then Cloudflare is the problem.

by clowd 3y ago

If Cloudflare has decided that Firefox is a "non-mainstream browser" and is applying a penalty to its users, then Cloudflare is the problem.

hammyhavoc 3y ago

The end user chose to use Firefox. The service provider is free to do as they please, it's their infrastructure and your access to it is at their discretion. Don't like it? Use Privacy Pass or pick another set of compromises. With that said, when I was still willing to subject myself to Mozilla in any form, I never found CloudFlare to be a problem, and I've used it since it launched. If people use Firefox, they're probably a privacy wonk LARPing an imagined threat model, and are using a shitty cheap VPN used by countless attackers, it's unlikely to be the browser itself unless they're doing something weird with extensions.

JohnFen 3y ago
> Don't like it? Use Privacy Pass or pick another set of compromises Nah. I'll just not use the website. They obviously don't want me there anyway.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  I've done this, with CAPTCHA screens and advertiser-induced cookie stalking. The worst offenders end up in PiHole. I'm sure nobody cares about my blocks, but we've got to start somewhere if we want websites to change their behaviour.
- hammyhavoc 3y ago
  And yet only the other day you posted a link to a site behind CloudFlare: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35643933 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35643933 I'm confident you use CloudFlare every day, many times per day.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    I'm sure I do. What I meant was that when I hit a snag with a captcha, I'll just move on. I'm not going to wrestle with it. I can take a hint.
- Brian_K_White 3y ago
  this is the way
clowd 3y ago
> If people use Firefox, they're probably a privacy wonk LARPing an imagined threat model, and are using a shitty cheap VPN used by countless attackers What kind of nonsense is this? Firefox is a mainstream browser used by millions of people every day. Maybe you're confusing it with Tor?