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Protecting jobs and moving europe back to the dark ages :)

throwaway2990 3y ago
Between this and Elon saying that AI needs to be paused for discussion is super harmful. People forget that if you pause it. People are not going to stop. Does the world want Russia and China to continue investing and developing while the west discusses what the scope of ai should be allowed to do? Because they sure as hell won’t be stopping to discuss anything.
- shrimp_emoji 3y ago
  Can we just forget gunpowder and go back to tercios? That was when wars were fought by men, with skill and honor and bravery!
  - nhinck2 3y ago
    Are you attempting to argue that successful gun control isn't beneficial to society?
- nullsense 3y ago
  What might even be the endgame of the CCP and the Kremlin with respect to AI? This tech is getting increasingly powerful. They don't necessarily want their own population to gain more individual power as they themselves don't want to lose control.
  - throwaway2990 3y ago
    > What might even be the endgame of the CCP and the Kremlin with respect to AI? > This tech is getting increasingly powerful. They don't necessarily want their own population to gain more individual power as they themselves don't want to lose control. They don’t need AI to control their citizens. And AI isn’t going to help their citizens rebel against government. You have 2 countries hell bent on being the most powerful countries in the world. By any means necessary. One is currently invading another country. The other has 18 border disputes, threatening to invade a country, encroaching on a couple of others, and threatening the US. The question is, how can the continued advancement of AI help them achieve their goals if the rest of the world hits the pause button while the topic is discussed?
    - nullsense 3y ago
      Russia is under extremely heavy sanctions and doesn't have access to the GPU clusters to do the work required, so I'm not worried about them. I thought there were also some export controls to high end chips on China too? Also, as human beings are they not concerned about the potential for danger to themselves that this technology may present? If not, why not?
- ChatGTP 3y ago
  “if we stop Russia and China”, what really is this based on? Like as if Russia and China are just full of idiots and all the Chinese and Russian AI scientists are idiots and don’t understand our point of view. Don’t understand how risk or dangers? Like as if the leader of China is an idiot who doesn’t get it either ? It’s just ridiculous. So what if America developed something really powerful in isolation and other countries find out about it, that may lead to immediate escalation and world war 3 , have you considered that? It’s a silly idea. What needs to happen is people realise we’re all humans, we all live together in the same biosphere and rather than continue to perpetuate and justify arms races, we must start to talk and solve our differences. That’s the mature thing to do. If we can get to that stage, maybe then we’re ready for more advanced technology.
  - throwaway2990 3y ago
    > So what if America developed something really powerful in isolation and other countries find out about it This isn’t about America. America is not the only country working on AI. But if you stop all AI development in America and say europe because “oh it might be dangerous”. Do you think other countries, for example, China and Russia, are going to stop? > What needs to happen is people realise we’re all humans, we all live together in the same biosphere and rather than continue to perpetuate and justify arms races, we must start to talk and solve our differences. That’s the mature thing to do. 100% agreed. But the sad fact is that is not even close to the reality we live in.
    - ChatGTP 3y ago
      if you’re referring to the letter regarding a 6 month pause, no one suggest all AI development was stopped, they asked for a pause on training LLMs at scale.
      - throwaway2990 3y ago
        Elon caused for a pause in AI training.
- sangnoir 3y ago
  "Mr. President, we must not allow an AI gap!"
lewhoo 3y ago
Oh I'm sorry. I didn't know it was AI that got us OUT of the dark ages in the first place.
petra 3y ago
it's not clear that many AI based jobs will be better than huamns, just cheaper. And in anycase most of those jobs will be automated. So you have europe, a multilingual country, maybe in the balanace they'll keep more jobs that way(i assume some will still be shipped accross the net), and in general prices with be slightly higher.

Between this and Elon saying that AI needs to be paused for discussion is super harmful. People forget that if you pause it. People are not going to stop. Does the world want Russia and China to continue investing and developing while the west discusses what the scope of ai should be allowed to do? Because they sure as hell won’t be stopping to discuss anything.

shrimp_emoji 3y ago
Can we just forget gunpowder and go back to tercios? That was when wars were fought by men, with skill and honor and bravery!
- nhinck2 3y ago
  Are you attempting to argue that successful gun control isn't beneficial to society?
nullsense 3y ago
What might even be the endgame of the CCP and the Kremlin with respect to AI? This tech is getting increasingly powerful. They don't necessarily want their own population to gain more individual power as they themselves don't want to lose control.
- throwaway2990 3y ago
  > What might even be the endgame of the CCP and the Kremlin with respect to AI? > This tech is getting increasingly powerful. They don't necessarily want their own population to gain more individual power as they themselves don't want to lose control. They don’t need AI to control their citizens. And AI isn’t going to help their citizens rebel against government. You have 2 countries hell bent on being the most powerful countries in the world. By any means necessary. One is currently invading another country. The other has 18 border disputes, threatening to invade a country, encroaching on a couple of others, and threatening the US. The question is, how can the continued advancement of AI help them achieve their goals if the rest of the world hits the pause button while the topic is discussed?
  - nullsense 3y ago
    Russia is under extremely heavy sanctions and doesn't have access to the GPU clusters to do the work required, so I'm not worried about them. I thought there were also some export controls to high end chips on China too? Also, as human beings are they not concerned about the potential for danger to themselves that this technology may present? If not, why not?
ChatGTP 3y ago
“if we stop Russia and China”, what really is this based on? Like as if Russia and China are just full of idiots and all the Chinese and Russian AI scientists are idiots and don’t understand our point of view. Don’t understand how risk or dangers? Like as if the leader of China is an idiot who doesn’t get it either ? It’s just ridiculous. So what if America developed something really powerful in isolation and other countries find out about it, that may lead to immediate escalation and world war 3 , have you considered that? It’s a silly idea. What needs to happen is people realise we’re all humans, we all live together in the same biosphere and rather than continue to perpetuate and justify arms races, we must start to talk and solve our differences. That’s the mature thing to do. If we can get to that stage, maybe then we’re ready for more advanced technology.
- throwaway2990 3y ago
  > So what if America developed something really powerful in isolation and other countries find out about it This isn’t about America. America is not the only country working on AI. But if you stop all AI development in America and say europe because “oh it might be dangerous”. Do you think other countries, for example, China and Russia, are going to stop? > What needs to happen is people realise we’re all humans, we all live together in the same biosphere and rather than continue to perpetuate and justify arms races, we must start to talk and solve our differences. That’s the mature thing to do. 100% agreed. But the sad fact is that is not even close to the reality we live in.
  - ChatGTP 3y ago
    if you’re referring to the letter regarding a 6 month pause, no one suggest all AI development was stopped, they asked for a pause on training LLMs at scale.
    - throwaway2990 3y ago
      Elon caused for a pause in AI training.
sangnoir 3y ago
"Mr. President, we must not allow an AI gap!"

lewhoo 3y ago

Oh I'm sorry. I didn't know it was AI that got us OUT of the dark ages in the first place.

petra 3y ago

it's not clear that many AI based jobs will be better than huamns, just cheaper. And in anycase most of those jobs will be automated. So you have europe, a multilingual country, maybe in the balanace they'll keep more jobs that way(i assume some will still be shipped accross the net), and in general prices with be slightly higher.