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Last year when something like this happened, it came out that there's a legal representative in Rio: https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2022/

by pmeira 3y ago

Last year when something like this happened, it came out that there's a legal representative in Rio: https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2022/02/telegram-has-had-a-representative-in-brazil-for-7-years-while-ignoring-supreme-court-and-electoral-court.shtml https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/internacional/en/brazil/2022/0...

buitreVirtual 3y ago
So they can talk to the representatives. They cannot make them remove the app.
- justinclift 3y ago
  Can't they also throw the representative in jail (etc)?
  - matheusmoreira 3y ago
    They can, and they have. Big Tech representatives in the country have been jailed for not fully complying with court orders. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-executive-released-from-jail-in-brazil/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-executive-released-fro... Google representatives too, if I remember correctly. Something to do with Google not erasing some celebrity's leaked nude photos from search results.
    - suslik 3y ago
      Jailing people for that is beyond horrible. Why would anyone want to appoint a legal representative in a country that does things like that, I have no idea.
      - matheusmoreira 3y ago
        I have no idea why these corporations come here either. Only reason I haven't left this place behind is my family refused to leave with me. They must be making truckloads of money if they put up with this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/brazilian-court-orders-arrest-of-google-official-over-youtube-video/2012/09/26/d585ae58-07df-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/brazilian... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arrest-google-brazil-head-stirs-debate-over-210814484--finance.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arrest-google-brazil-head-sti... https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/26/3413476/google-brazil-you-tube-arrest https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/26/3413476/google-brazil-you... https://observer.com/2012/09/brazil-google-president-mayoral-candidate-youtube/ https://observer.com/2012/09/brazil-google-president-mayoral... https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/google-exec-detained-in-brazil-over-youtube-case-1.1213974 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/google-exec-detained-in-braz... https://thenextweb.com/news/googles-president-brazil-operations-arrested-company-failed-remove-youtube-videos https://thenextweb.com/news/googles-president-brazil-operati...
        suslik 3y ago
        Governments taking hostages aside - risking your employees security like that is extremely irresponsible from Google.
      - tambourine_man 3y ago
        It’s what happens when you break the law. I don’t know what you expect.
      - dormento 3y ago
        To be able to "do business" there, whatever it may entail. Contrary to the popular held opinion on certain online communities, businesses must respect local laws and regulations to be able to conduct their activities.
        matheusmoreira 3y ago
        The only "law" the executive broke was making the judge angry. Even the other judges acknowledged he was wrongly detained and released him. Says so in the article.
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- nosianu 3y ago
  > They cannot make them remove the app From the article: > Later, several Telegram users said they could no longer use the messaging app after local carriers complied with the ruling. Google and Apple were also ordered to block the app. So yes, apparently they can. Or did you think it needed Telegram's cooperation? Even if it is possible to install apps manually, most users are not "power users" able or even just willing (or willing to learn) to do that. Another aspect of the much more curated software world of Android or iPhone vs. PCs, where blocking would indeed be mostly useless even for regular users.

by pmeira 3y ago

buitreVirtual 3y ago

So they can talk to the representatives. They cannot make them remove the app.

justinclift 3y ago
Can't they also throw the representative in jail (etc)?
- matheusmoreira 3y ago
  They can, and they have. Big Tech representatives in the country have been jailed for not fully complying with court orders. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-executive-released-from-jail-in-brazil/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/facebook-executive-released-fro... Google representatives too, if I remember correctly. Something to do with Google not erasing some celebrity's leaked nude photos from search results.
  - suslik 3y ago
    Jailing people for that is beyond horrible. Why would anyone want to appoint a legal representative in a country that does things like that, I have no idea.
    - matheusmoreira 3y ago
      I have no idea why these corporations come here either. Only reason I haven't left this place behind is my family refused to leave with me. They must be making truckloads of money if they put up with this. https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/brazilian-court-orders-arrest-of-google-official-over-youtube-video/2012/09/26/d585ae58-07df-11e2-afff-d6c7f20a83bf_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/technology/brazilian... https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arrest-google-brazil-head-stirs-debate-over-210814484--finance.html https://finance.yahoo.com/news/arrest-google-brazil-head-sti... https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/26/3413476/google-brazil-you-tube-arrest https://www.theverge.com/2012/9/26/3413476/google-brazil-you... https://observer.com/2012/09/brazil-google-president-mayoral-candidate-youtube/ https://observer.com/2012/09/brazil-google-president-mayoral... https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/google-exec-detained-in-brazil-over-youtube-case-1.1213974 https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/google-exec-detained-in-braz... https://thenextweb.com/news/googles-president-brazil-operations-arrested-company-failed-remove-youtube-videos https://thenextweb.com/news/googles-president-brazil-operati...
      - suslik 3y ago
        Governments taking hostages aside - risking your employees security like that is extremely irresponsible from Google.
    - tambourine_man 3y ago
      It’s what happens when you break the law. I don’t know what you expect.
    - dormento 3y ago
      To be able to "do business" there, whatever it may entail. Contrary to the popular held opinion on certain online communities, businesses must respect local laws and regulations to be able to conduct their activities.
      - matheusmoreira 3y ago
        The only "law" the executive broke was making the judge angry. Even the other judges acknowledged he was wrongly detained and released him. Says so in the article.
  - deleted 3y ago
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nosianu 3y ago
> They cannot make them remove the app From the article: > Later, several Telegram users said they could no longer use the messaging app after local carriers complied with the ruling. Google and Apple were also ordered to block the app. So yes, apparently they can. Or did you think it needed Telegram's cooperation? Even if it is possible to install apps manually, most users are not "power users" able or even just willing (or willing to learn) to do that. Another aspect of the much more curated software world of Android or iPhone vs. PCs, where blocking would indeed be mostly useless even for regular users.