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That’s such a disingenuous argument because the books that the ”book banning” critics are talking about involve visual depictions of, among other things, fellat

That’s such a disingenuous argument because the books that the ”book banning” critics are talking about involve visual depictions of, among other things, fellatio between men. It’s hardly anything a grownup that’s not engaged in grooming would show a kid. Calling it ”book banning” as if ideas are being surpressed or something, is very dishonest and it’s getting quite transparent at this point.

alecst 3y ago
At what age do you think it’s appropriate to read about sex, and at what age do you think it’s appropriate to read about gay sex? If those are different. For my part I read It, by Stephen King, when I was pretty young. Maybe 13-14 ish. There’s an edgy scene at the end of the book involving the young protagonists. I read it, I thought it was odd, and moved on. If it were more a popular book these days perhaps it would be banned too. Curious if you have thoughts on that.
- mildmotive 3y ago
  >read Visual depictions.
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jowday 3y ago
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neovialogistics 3y ago
This framing ignores the agency of the teenagers who read the books. Do you think the only media in their lives are media that an adult shows them, with no capacity to seek things out themselves?
- mildmotive 3y ago
  Do you think that showing a minor pornography is okay because they can seek it out themselves? Furthermore, do you think that buying alcohol to a minor is okay if they can seek it out themselves?
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    There's a big difference between showing something to a person and that thing being available in a library whey they can seek it out or encounter it at random. You seem to be implying that library curators are leading minors to shelves and telling them to look at something they otherwise wouldn't.
    - mildmotive 3y ago
      They may not be actively showing this material, but at the very least they are facilitating porn use by minors. The same way as when a person offers to buy a minor alcohol, they are facilitating alcohol consumption by minors. There is no acceptable reason to keep pornography in a school library.
      - anigbrowl 3y ago
        You think it's porn, many other people do not. I grew up in a hyper-conservative milieu where commercial porn was simply not available, everything I learned about sex came from books. I discovered the existence of sexuality through reading the Bible; I literally had no idea there was anything more complicated to life than moms and dads until I I happened across all these stories of people being killed for engaging in 'abominations'. Magnetic poetry can 'facilitate porn use by minors'. I think you work toward a better-defined standard that doesn't pre-empt the rights of other people who don't share your point of view.

alecst 3y ago

At what age do you think it’s appropriate to read about sex, and at what age do you think it’s appropriate to read about gay sex? If those are different. For my part I read It, by Stephen King, when I was pretty young. Maybe 13-14 ish. There’s an edgy scene at the end of the book involving the young protagonists. I read it, I thought it was odd, and moved on. If it were more a popular book these days perhaps it would be banned too. Curious if you have thoughts on that.

mildmotive 3y ago
>read Visual depictions.

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jowday 3y ago

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neovialogistics 3y ago

This framing ignores the agency of the teenagers who read the books. Do you think the only media in their lives are media that an adult shows them, with no capacity to seek things out themselves?

mildmotive 3y ago
Do you think that showing a minor pornography is okay because they can seek it out themselves? Furthermore, do you think that buying alcohol to a minor is okay if they can seek it out themselves?
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  There's a big difference between showing something to a person and that thing being available in a library whey they can seek it out or encounter it at random. You seem to be implying that library curators are leading minors to shelves and telling them to look at something they otherwise wouldn't.
  - mildmotive 3y ago
    They may not be actively showing this material, but at the very least they are facilitating porn use by minors. The same way as when a person offers to buy a minor alcohol, they are facilitating alcohol consumption by minors. There is no acceptable reason to keep pornography in a school library.
    - anigbrowl 3y ago
      You think it's porn, many other people do not. I grew up in a hyper-conservative milieu where commercial porn was simply not available, everything I learned about sex came from books. I discovered the existence of sexuality through reading the Bible; I literally had no idea there was anything more complicated to life than moms and dads until I I happened across all these stories of people being killed for engaging in 'abominations'. Magnetic poetry can 'facilitate porn use by minors'. I think you work toward a better-defined standard that doesn't pre-empt the rights of other people who don't share your point of view.