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> Better to evaluate the merits of each product than to make a blanket judgment about the company and force your opinions of each product to confirm. I think t

> Better to evaluate the merits of each product than to make a blanket judgment about the company and force your opinions of each product to confirm. I think that the point is that Cloudflare's business model lies largely on its ability to monitor individual end users. So when Cloudflare announces they are providing a service whose primary selling point is that it affects their ability to monitor users then this sounds like a blatant contradiction. I also think that begging people to blindly trust corporations, specially when it's without any rationale or reason, is to say the least very silly.

vlovich123 3y ago
> I think that the point is that Cloudflare's business model lies largely on its ability to monitor individual end users Sorry. Can you clarify what the business model is? Disclaimer: work at cloudflare and this is the first time I’ve heard our business is monitoring users.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  CF's business model is to protect websites from Bad traffic (which it apparently defines as non-human traffic). It does this by deciding whether any given connection is from an human or a not. And to decide that, in practice, requires it to track humans. Or from the opposite direction, in practice every single time I add more privacy tools to my collection, CF puts more "are you sure you're human?" pages in my way. Motivations they tell themselves they have ultimately matter very little in light of what they're actually doing to the web.
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- harry8 3y ago
  >Disclaimer: work at cloudflare and this is the first time I’ve heard our business is monitoring users. You didn't read that at all. You read a claim that cloudflare depends on its ability to monitor individual end users. That's not actually a nitpick. Given you work at cloudflare can you point me to the part where clouflare state in some legal doc of consequence they do not monitor individual end users? I'd appreciate that.

vlovich123 3y ago

> I think that the point is that Cloudflare's business model lies largely on its ability to monitor individual end users Sorry. Can you clarify what the business model is? Disclaimer: work at cloudflare and this is the first time I’ve heard our business is monitoring users.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
CF's business model is to protect websites from Bad traffic (which it apparently defines as non-human traffic). It does this by deciding whether any given connection is from an human or a not. And to decide that, in practice, requires it to track humans. Or from the opposite direction, in practice every single time I add more privacy tools to my collection, CF puts more "are you sure you're human?" pages in my way. Motivations they tell themselves they have ultimately matter very little in light of what they're actually doing to the web.
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harry8 3y ago
>Disclaimer: work at cloudflare and this is the first time I’ve heard our business is monitoring users. You didn't read that at all. You read a claim that cloudflare depends on its ability to monitor individual end users. That's not actually a nitpick. Given you work at cloudflare can you point me to the part where clouflare state in some legal doc of consequence they do not monitor individual end users? I'd appreciate that.