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I used to think like you, but not anymore. I am not interested in installing random software from other people, I want to install my own software to be able to

I used to think like you, but not anymore. I am not interested in installing random software from other people, I want to install my own software to be able to have full control over my own device. I don't care about 'regular users'. I care about myself.

auggierose 3y ago
You can do that already.
- kaba0 3y ago
  If you own a mac, run a specific software at least once a week, and limited to like 3 apps. For all practical purposes, this means “you can’t”.
  - auggierose 3y ago
    > If you own a Mac If you own an iPhone, it's actually very practical to also have a Mac. > run a specific software at least once a week, and limited to like 3 apps. What?
    - kaba0 3y ago
      You get a license for a week only (without paying for a dev account), and has a limit of concurrently signing at most 7 apps (my parameters might not be exactly correct, but are roughly this), but a single application might require multiple signatures. The most common way to make all this signing a bit more bearable is to have AltStore installed on your mac, which will automatically re-signs the select few apps you want in some hacky way (needs your Apple id and password).
      - auggierose 3y ago
        The most common way is to pay $99 and use Xcode. I think in the long run, limiting the freedom of developers to choose whichever tools they like is actually hurting Apple, but let's not pretend that there is no practical way of running your own software on iOS.
        akvadrako 3y ago
        Is that were true there would be no need for a European version, since sideloading is about a "practical way of running your own software".
        auggierose 3y ago
        My answers refer to ihatepython's original comment, and own software is understood there as "software I develop myself". I am not talking about own software in the sense of software you obtained from other people, which is what sideloading is about.
        wiseowise 3y ago
        > The most common way is to pay $99 and use Xcode. Don't you find it ridiculous that the "common" way to run software written by you on a $1k device that you bought is via buying $2k machine and paying 99$ yearly?
  - ihatepython 3y ago
    Not only do you have to own a mac, you have to keep everything updated to the latest version. This is problematic, considering that the OS gets worse and worse with every release, and some things break with new versions.
- SparkyMcUnicorn 3y ago
  If I pay the fee and/or use something like altstore?
  - auggierose 3y ago
    Yes.

auggierose 3y ago

You can do that already.

kaba0 3y ago
If you own a mac, run a specific software at least once a week, and limited to like 3 apps. For all practical purposes, this means “you can’t”.
- auggierose 3y ago
  > If you own a Mac If you own an iPhone, it's actually very practical to also have a Mac. > run a specific software at least once a week, and limited to like 3 apps. What?
  - kaba0 3y ago
    You get a license for a week only (without paying for a dev account), and has a limit of concurrently signing at most 7 apps (my parameters might not be exactly correct, but are roughly this), but a single application might require multiple signatures. The most common way to make all this signing a bit more bearable is to have AltStore installed on your mac, which will automatically re-signs the select few apps you want in some hacky way (needs your Apple id and password).
    - auggierose 3y ago
      The most common way is to pay $99 and use Xcode. I think in the long run, limiting the freedom of developers to choose whichever tools they like is actually hurting Apple, but let's not pretend that there is no practical way of running your own software on iOS.
      - akvadrako 3y ago
        Is that were true there would be no need for a European version, since sideloading is about a "practical way of running your own software".
        auggierose 3y ago
        My answers refer to ihatepython's original comment, and own software is understood there as "software I develop myself". I am not talking about own software in the sense of software you obtained from other people, which is what sideloading is about.
      - wiseowise 3y ago
        > The most common way is to pay $99 and use Xcode. Don't you find it ridiculous that the "common" way to run software written by you on a $1k device that you bought is via buying $2k machine and paying 99$ yearly?
- ihatepython 3y ago
  Not only do you have to own a mac, you have to keep everything updated to the latest version. This is problematic, considering that the OS gets worse and worse with every release, and some things break with new versions.
SparkyMcUnicorn 3y ago
If I pay the fee and/or use something like altstore?
- auggierose 3y ago
  Yes.