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I wonder what the thieve does with the car after stealing. Will you always need that Nokia to start it or is there some kind if aftermarket for counterfeit keys

by adminu 3y ago

I wonder what the thieve does with the car after stealing. Will you always need that Nokia to start it or is there some kind if aftermarket for counterfeit keys?

newsclues 3y ago
Used for crime locally and dumped. Or chopped up for parts. Or shipped overseas complete in a container.
m00dy 3y ago
why would you use a Nokia ? Raspberry could be a better option.
- andyjohnson0 3y ago
  > why would you use a Nokia ? Raspberry could be a better option. Deniability if searched by police.
  - m00dy 3y ago
    Bottom of the Nokia in the video is very suspicious.
  - ale42 3y ago
    I guess the idea is more not to attract attention in case of a random search, rather than plausible deniability. The phone couldn't operate as a phone... (nor the speaker, as far as I understand it).
- LastNevadan 3y ago
  The thieves want plausible deniability if they are caught possessing it. If a policeman suspects you of being a car thief and catches you with a Raspberry Pi, that looks pretty suspicious. The same policeman wouldn't think anything suspicious about (what appears to be) a Nokia cell phone.
  - zirgs 3y ago
    Well, nowadays a phone like that would be suspicious, because everyone has a smartphone. A BT speaker is a lot less suspicious, however.
  - moffkalast 3y ago
    > catches you with a Raspberry Pi, that looks pretty suspicious Indeed, who did he have to kill to get one?!
  - sidewndr46 3y ago
    > catches you with a Raspberry Pi, that looks pretty suspicious I'll have to relay that to my dad who drives around with a small cluster of SBCs mounted into his vehicle
- Ballas 3y ago
  It's not a actually Nokia, it only looks like one. All the parts on the inside will be replaced with parts specific to this purpose.
numpad0 3y ago
I believe many of the cars are disassembled for parts and scrapped, most of its value needlessly destroyed. Some are exported to third world countries. Most thefts are not value-adding or preserving operations, literally doesn't pay(well).
- gambiting 3y ago
  Yep. A person I know had his Mercedes A45 AMG stolen, thanks to the tracker he was able to find it in the middle of a forest somewhere, went there with a police officer to find two guys in the middle of taking apart his car to pieces, their excuse was "officer we just found it like that". I don't know if they were able to pin the theft on them or not in the end, but the insurer ended up scrapping the car and paying for a new one because the main wiring loom was cut and Mercedes wanted an absurd amount of money for replacing it. Apparently quite common with Teslas as well, there is no way you can sell a whole functional car to anyone(well, not in any developed country anyway), but stripping them to pieces and selling them elsewhere is relatively common. Volvo took really aggressive steps basically making sure that every component in the car that has any kind of electronic chip inside it has to authenticate with the car's VIN or it won't work at all - really annoying for the 2nd hand parts market but hopefully also annoying for thieves.
  - iancmceachern 3y ago
    Also really annoying for the hardware and software folks doing the work.
    - londons_explore 3y ago
      Typically the engineers building the thing use debug builds that don't have these checks.
      - iancmceachern 3y ago
        Someone has to design and test this stuff though
snthd 3y ago
https://kentindell.github.io/2023/04/03/can-injection/ https://kentindell.github.io/2023/04/03/can-injection/ >Ian’s sleuthing found that mostly these cars are destined for export, sent via shipping container to places in Africa "These cars" might specifically mean things like the RAV4 and that other cars more reliant on good roads have less of a market in "places in Africa". There must be a noticible flow of parts (eg headlights) to patch up damage caused by the theft. Likely the car manufacturers know, but it's not in their interests to talk about it.
kotaKat 3y ago
Once it's been started you get it out of the area, then connect onto the OBD/diagnostics and run the OEM "all keys lost" procedure with cracked dealer software, which lets you program brand new keys into the system. Then they end up in a container ship bound for West Africa. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/car-stolen-from-an-ontario-street-tracked-to-nigeria-1.5877728 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/car-stolen-from-an-ontario-street... The cost of these devices is out of the 'simple criminal' pricerange, but is a minimal expense to a crime ring that can export a boatload of stolen cars at a significant profit as these cars go for significant price premiums overseas.

by adminu 3y ago

I wonder what the thieve does with the car after stealing. Will you always need that Nokia to start it or is there some kind if aftermarket for counterfeit keys?

newsclues 3y ago

Used for crime locally and dumped. Or chopped up for parts. Or shipped overseas complete in a container.

m00dy 3y ago

why would you use a Nokia ? Raspberry could be a better option.

andyjohnson0 3y ago
> why would you use a Nokia ? Raspberry could be a better option. Deniability if searched by police.
- m00dy 3y ago
  Bottom of the Nokia in the video is very suspicious.
- ale42 3y ago
  I guess the idea is more not to attract attention in case of a random search, rather than plausible deniability. The phone couldn't operate as a phone... (nor the speaker, as far as I understand it).
LastNevadan 3y ago
The thieves want plausible deniability if they are caught possessing it. If a policeman suspects you of being a car thief and catches you with a Raspberry Pi, that looks pretty suspicious. The same policeman wouldn't think anything suspicious about (what appears to be) a Nokia cell phone.
- zirgs 3y ago
  Well, nowadays a phone like that would be suspicious, because everyone has a smartphone. A BT speaker is a lot less suspicious, however.
- moffkalast 3y ago
  > catches you with a Raspberry Pi, that looks pretty suspicious Indeed, who did he have to kill to get one?!
- sidewndr46 3y ago
  > catches you with a Raspberry Pi, that looks pretty suspicious I'll have to relay that to my dad who drives around with a small cluster of SBCs mounted into his vehicle
Ballas 3y ago
It's not a actually Nokia, it only looks like one. All the parts on the inside will be replaced with parts specific to this purpose.

numpad0 3y ago

I believe many of the cars are disassembled for parts and scrapped, most of its value needlessly destroyed. Some are exported to third world countries. Most thefts are not value-adding or preserving operations, literally doesn't pay(well).

gambiting 3y ago
Yep. A person I know had his Mercedes A45 AMG stolen, thanks to the tracker he was able to find it in the middle of a forest somewhere, went there with a police officer to find two guys in the middle of taking apart his car to pieces, their excuse was "officer we just found it like that". I don't know if they were able to pin the theft on them or not in the end, but the insurer ended up scrapping the car and paying for a new one because the main wiring loom was cut and Mercedes wanted an absurd amount of money for replacing it. Apparently quite common with Teslas as well, there is no way you can sell a whole functional car to anyone(well, not in any developed country anyway), but stripping them to pieces and selling them elsewhere is relatively common. Volvo took really aggressive steps basically making sure that every component in the car that has any kind of electronic chip inside it has to authenticate with the car's VIN or it won't work at all - really annoying for the 2nd hand parts market but hopefully also annoying for thieves.
- iancmceachern 3y ago
  Also really annoying for the hardware and software folks doing the work.
  - londons_explore 3y ago
    Typically the engineers building the thing use debug builds that don't have these checks.
    - iancmceachern 3y ago
      Someone has to design and test this stuff though

snthd 3y ago

https://kentindell.github.io/2023/04/03/can-injection/ https://kentindell.github.io/2023/04/03/can-injection/ >Ian’s sleuthing found that mostly these cars are destined for export, sent via shipping container to places in Africa "These cars" might specifically mean things like the RAV4 and that other cars more reliant on good roads have less of a market in "places in Africa". There must be a noticible flow of parts (eg headlights) to patch up damage caused by the theft. Likely the car manufacturers know, but it's not in their interests to talk about it.

kotaKat 3y ago

Once it's been started you get it out of the area, then connect onto the OBD/diagnostics and run the OEM "all keys lost" procedure with cracked dealer software, which lets you program brand new keys into the system. Then they end up in a container ship bound for West Africa. https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/car-stolen-from-an-ontario-street-tracked-to-nigeria-1.5877728 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/car-stolen-from-an-ontario-street... The cost of these devices is out of the 'simple criminal' pricerange, but is a minimal expense to a crime ring that can export a boatload of stolen cars at a significant profit as these cars go for significant price premiums overseas.