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Better headline: SpaceX successfully launches the biggest rocket in history.

by pruthvishetty 3y ago

abledon 3y ago
LOL they are still salty about the 'publicly funded' tag
- bmitc 3y ago
  As they ahould be. SpaceX and Tesla have received substantially more taxpayer money than NPR. Also, they weren't labeled as "publically funded". They were labeled as "U.S. state-affiliated media". That is untrue and is a political hit at the behest of Musk.
  - colordrops 3y ago
    The taxpayer money is not a handout though, services are expected in return. It's not a subsidy, despite all the misinformation out there.
    - bmitc 3y ago
      Both Tesla and SpaceX have absolutely received grants, not just contracts and loans, from the government. Just last year, SpaceX requested and applied for $886 million grant from the FCC, which is nearly three times the annual budget of NPR. They were denied for that particular one, but they appealed the decision, complaining about it. I'm not sure what misinformation you are referring to. It is a matter of fact that Tesla and SpaceX have received billions of dollars of government contracts, highly preferential loans, grants, subsidies, and tax incentives. Another example, from Tesla's own report submitted to the SEC in 2020: > As part of various governmental responses to the pandemic granted to companies globally, we received certain payroll related benefits which helped to reduce the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on our financial results. This was at a time in which Musk was railing against government bailouts. Tesla never gave more details on the government handouts this particular line was referring to. It goes on and on.
      - colordrops 3y ago
        Can you detail how much SpaceX received in grants and subsidies? I think you'll find it's negligible. The onus is on you to provide that data if you are making the claim. And let's not bring Tesla into this to confuse the issue.
        bmitc 3y ago
        > Can you detail how much SpaceX received in grants and subsidies? I think you'll find it's negligible. The onus is on you to provide that data if you are making the claim. You're making a claim as well so the onus is on you just as much as me. And you can likely use Google as well as I can. Just search. It isn't hard to find. I'm not going to sit here and copy and paste links and articles all day that you can just as easily find. This is a forum, not a dissertation defense or an investigative journalism piece. Plenty has been written about this in news articles, SEC filings, and lawsuits. > And let's not bring Tesla into this to confuse the issue. It's not confusing the issue. It is part of the issue and was in my original comment. To be clear, the issue is that a CEO, who claims to be a supporter of free speech, of two companies, specifically SpaceX and Tesla, that have received billions in government support has intentionally, adversarially, and antagonistically mislabaled NPR as "U.S. state-affiliated media" because he is abusing Twitter to run his own fringe political agendas. The reason stated for the ban, which is not the actual reason, is barely even true, and is misleading, is that NPR is government funded.
        colordrops 3y ago
        Saying in making a claim is frankly nonsense. If someone claims there is a pink fairy flying behind the moon, and I challenge the claim, I am not making a claim, and it's not on me to prove that the pink fairy is not there. I'm not making a claim, I'm challenging a claim. Once again don't confuse the issue. And once again Tesla should not be brought into this. Musk is not SpaceX. There are thousands of people that work there and make the place tick. And they are a separate legal entity. It's not fair to throw them under the bus for anything that is happening with Musk or Tesla. I was obviously referring to SpaceX as I was talking about "services rendered".
- Hamuko 3y ago
  I'm seeing a lot of people salty about "Starship explodes". Isn't that also an accurate description of what happened?
  - bell-cot 3y ago
    "Failure at Stage Separation" would be far more specific and informative. But also get far few clicks.
    - rootusrootus 3y ago
      Okay. Failed at stage separation, then spiraled out of control and exploded.
sdfghswe 3y ago
I'm pretty sure "launching" isn't the hard part.
b0sk 3y ago
That 2029 timeline seems a tad aggressive - https://www.npr.org/2022/03/17/1087167893/elon-musk-mars-2029#:~:text=Press-,Elon%20Musk%20predicts%20a%20crewed%20mission%20to%20Mars%20in%202029,crewed%20Mars%20landing%20in%202029 https://www.npr.org/2022/03/17/1087167893/elon-musk-mars-202....

Better headline: SpaceX successfully launches the biggest rocket in history.

abledon 3y ago

LOL they are still salty about the 'publicly funded' tag

bmitc 3y ago
As they ahould be. SpaceX and Tesla have received substantially more taxpayer money than NPR. Also, they weren't labeled as "publically funded". They were labeled as "U.S. state-affiliated media". That is untrue and is a political hit at the behest of Musk.
- colordrops 3y ago
  The taxpayer money is not a handout though, services are expected in return. It's not a subsidy, despite all the misinformation out there.
  - bmitc 3y ago
    Both Tesla and SpaceX have absolutely received grants, not just contracts and loans, from the government. Just last year, SpaceX requested and applied for $886 million grant from the FCC, which is nearly three times the annual budget of NPR. They were denied for that particular one, but they appealed the decision, complaining about it. I'm not sure what misinformation you are referring to. It is a matter of fact that Tesla and SpaceX have received billions of dollars of government contracts, highly preferential loans, grants, subsidies, and tax incentives. Another example, from Tesla's own report submitted to the SEC in 2020: > As part of various governmental responses to the pandemic granted to companies globally, we received certain payroll related benefits which helped to reduce the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on our financial results. This was at a time in which Musk was railing against government bailouts. Tesla never gave more details on the government handouts this particular line was referring to. It goes on and on.
    - colordrops 3y ago
      Can you detail how much SpaceX received in grants and subsidies? I think you'll find it's negligible. The onus is on you to provide that data if you are making the claim. And let's not bring Tesla into this to confuse the issue.
      - bmitc 3y ago
        > Can you detail how much SpaceX received in grants and subsidies? I think you'll find it's negligible. The onus is on you to provide that data if you are making the claim. You're making a claim as well so the onus is on you just as much as me. And you can likely use Google as well as I can. Just search. It isn't hard to find. I'm not going to sit here and copy and paste links and articles all day that you can just as easily find. This is a forum, not a dissertation defense or an investigative journalism piece. Plenty has been written about this in news articles, SEC filings, and lawsuits. > And let's not bring Tesla into this to confuse the issue. It's not confusing the issue. It is part of the issue and was in my original comment. To be clear, the issue is that a CEO, who claims to be a supporter of free speech, of two companies, specifically SpaceX and Tesla, that have received billions in government support has intentionally, adversarially, and antagonistically mislabaled NPR as "U.S. state-affiliated media" because he is abusing Twitter to run his own fringe political agendas. The reason stated for the ban, which is not the actual reason, is barely even true, and is misleading, is that NPR is government funded.
        colordrops 3y ago
        Saying in making a claim is frankly nonsense. If someone claims there is a pink fairy flying behind the moon, and I challenge the claim, I am not making a claim, and it's not on me to prove that the pink fairy is not there. I'm not making a claim, I'm challenging a claim. Once again don't confuse the issue. And once again Tesla should not be brought into this. Musk is not SpaceX. There are thousands of people that work there and make the place tick. And they are a separate legal entity. It's not fair to throw them under the bus for anything that is happening with Musk or Tesla. I was obviously referring to SpaceX as I was talking about "services rendered".
Hamuko 3y ago
I'm seeing a lot of people salty about "Starship explodes". Isn't that also an accurate description of what happened?
- bell-cot 3y ago
  "Failure at Stage Separation" would be far more specific and informative. But also get far few clicks.
  - rootusrootus 3y ago
    Okay. Failed at stage separation, then spiraled out of control and exploded.

sdfghswe 3y ago

I'm pretty sure "launching" isn't the hard part.

b0sk 3y ago

That 2029 timeline seems a tad aggressive - https://www.npr.org/2022/03/17/1087167893/elon-musk-mars-2029#:~:text=Press-,Elon%20Musk%20predicts%20a%20crewed%20mission%20to%20Mars%20in%202029,crewed%20Mars%20landing%20in%202029 https://www.npr.org/2022/03/17/1087167893/elon-musk-mars-202....