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What does this mean in context of https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/ https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experime.

What does this mean in context of https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/ https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experime... , where CEO of Stability AI had left a signature on the petition(it's 8th in the list)? Do they want time to catch up? Regardless of that, I'm glad that StabilityAI enters the field as well and releases models for public use.

AppleBananaPie 3y ago
I'd love to hear from someone knowledgeable in the area but my gut instinct was the majority of people / organizations signing on to that 'pause' just wanted to catch up.
- sebzim4500 3y ago
  Either that or the guy didn't actually sign it. It's not like anyone actually checked who it was.
  - timestretch 3y ago
    He's mentioned signing it in interviews. He discusses it here: https://youtu.be/SKoYhcC3HrM?t=1344 https://youtu.be/SKoYhcC3HrM?t=1344
sanxiyn 3y ago
It doesn't mean anything. The letter says: > Therefore, we call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4. StableLM is not an AI system more powerful than GPT-4, so the pause does not apply.
- samstave 3y ago
  To whom, specificlally does the "pause apply" Because, I can tell you that no state-agent is going to pause, but amplify. Israel, Iran, China, Russia and any self-respecting NATO country is secretly pushing their AI as fast as fn possible. You think the US is pausing anything with a 1 trillion dollar defense budget, especially when this AI has surfaced? The NSA has been projecting these capabilities forever.... Look at the movie "enemy of the state" as a documentary on capabilities as early as 1998... now look at the fractal spiral that we are witness (and victim) of.
  - moonchrome 3y ago
    All these state actor stories imply that state actors are anywhere close to GPT4 levels. Do you have any evidence for that ?
    - samstave 3y ago
      >>Do you have any evidence for tha I do not, yet I am a SUPER SKEPTIC --> means I am a conspiracy weirdo that doesnt believe a gosh darn thing any government says, but I am also a technologist who is not ignorant to things which have been built in secrecy. Thus ;; I summize that some crazy shit is going on with AI behind the scenes that we are not privy to -- and if one persons reality of "you cannot believe that they* are doing anything with AI that we dont know about"* ... to paraphrase a few "A nuke is literally about to fall on our heads" -- We are moments away from realizing that it ALREADY happened....
    - Zuiii 3y ago
      My general test to judge whether a capable state actors has an ability is to answer this simple question: "Ignoring resource and morality costs, is it at all technically possible?" If yes, then those actors almost certainly have this ability developed already and perhaps even deployed. If not, then maybe. This test has held up remarkably well in my experience. And that's to say nothing about products that already exist: I would be extremely surprised if the US government and China didn't have a GPT4-level AI trained within one week of OpenAI's GPT4 announcement if not before.
      - PoignardAzur 3y ago
        > "Ignoring resource and morality costs, is it at all technically possible?" If it were that simple, SpaceX wouldn't have revolutionized spaceflight. Sometimes private actors have talents or organizational structure that gives them an edge in innovation that public actors can't keep up with for a while. All competitors to OpenAI we've seen are struggling to reach GPT-3.5 level, let alone GPT-4 level, with years of catch-up time. It's not ridiculous to imagine that state actors are struggling as well.
      - 3y ago

AppleBananaPie 3y ago

I'd love to hear from someone knowledgeable in the area but my gut instinct was the majority of people / organizations signing on to that 'pause' just wanted to catch up.

sebzim4500 3y ago
Either that or the guy didn't actually sign it. It's not like anyone actually checked who it was.
- timestretch 3y ago
  He's mentioned signing it in interviews. He discusses it here: https://youtu.be/SKoYhcC3HrM?t=1344 https://youtu.be/SKoYhcC3HrM?t=1344

sanxiyn 3y ago

It doesn't mean anything. The letter says: > Therefore, we call on all AI labs to immediately pause for at least 6 months the training of AI systems more powerful than GPT-4. StableLM is not an AI system more powerful than GPT-4, so the pause does not apply.

samstave 3y ago
To whom, specificlally does the "pause apply" Because, I can tell you that no state-agent is going to pause, but amplify. Israel, Iran, China, Russia and any self-respecting NATO country is secretly pushing their AI as fast as fn possible. You think the US is pausing anything with a 1 trillion dollar defense budget, especially when this AI has surfaced? The NSA has been projecting these capabilities forever.... Look at the movie "enemy of the state" as a documentary on capabilities as early as 1998... now look at the fractal spiral that we are witness (and victim) of.
- moonchrome 3y ago
  All these state actor stories imply that state actors are anywhere close to GPT4 levels. Do you have any evidence for that ?
  - samstave 3y ago
    >>Do you have any evidence for tha I do not, yet I am a SUPER SKEPTIC --> means I am a conspiracy weirdo that doesnt believe a gosh darn thing any government says, but I am also a technologist who is not ignorant to things which have been built in secrecy. Thus ;; I summize that some crazy shit is going on with AI behind the scenes that we are not privy to -- and if one persons reality of "you cannot believe that they* are doing anything with AI that we dont know about"* ... to paraphrase a few "A nuke is literally about to fall on our heads" -- We are moments away from realizing that it ALREADY happened....
  - Zuiii 3y ago
    My general test to judge whether a capable state actors has an ability is to answer this simple question: "Ignoring resource and morality costs, is it at all technically possible?" If yes, then those actors almost certainly have this ability developed already and perhaps even deployed. If not, then maybe. This test has held up remarkably well in my experience. And that's to say nothing about products that already exist: I would be extremely surprised if the US government and China didn't have a GPT4-level AI trained within one week of OpenAI's GPT4 announcement if not before.
    - PoignardAzur 3y ago
      > "Ignoring resource and morality costs, is it at all technically possible?" If it were that simple, SpaceX wouldn't have revolutionized spaceflight. Sometimes private actors have talents or organizational structure that gives them an edge in innovation that public actors can't keep up with for a while. All competitors to OpenAI we've seen are struggling to reach GPT-3.5 level, let alone GPT-4 level, with years of catch-up time. It's not ridiculous to imagine that state actors are struggling as well.
    - 3y ago