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>Patents have never contributed anything to society. I think I fixed that for you. Patents have only caused Corporations to battle each other and bully normal
by mughinn 3y ago
>Patents have never contributed anything to society.
I think I fixed that for you. Patents have only caused Corporations to battle each other and bully normal people into compliance
- goodoldneon 3y agoIf I'm a pharmaceutical company, why would I spend a billion dollars researching a drug if someone can copy it?
- fooker 3y agoNecessity is the mother of invention. Your company maybe won't spend a billion dollars on this research. Maybe some govt funded research will work out, maybe a dozen other people will run into the discovery at some point. A large majority of inventions by humans haven't been motivated by profit.
- hatefulmoron 3y ago> A large majority of inventions by humans haven't been motivated by profit. Were the large majority of drugs we use today (the topic discussed) invented outside the profit motive? I don't know the answer to that.
- AlbertCory 3y agothis paper is not about drugs. Those patents already do have to disclose their formulas.
- hatefulmoron 3y agoI think you're pasting this here without regard for context.
- AlbertCory 3y ago"Were the large majority of drugs we use today (the topic discussed) invented outside the profit motive? I don't know the answer to that." is the context.
- hatefulmoron 3y agoDoes your comment answer my question?
- AlbertCory 3y agoOn further reflection, I see your point: the "context" was drug patents & their necessity, or lack of it, for drug development. You have to admit that that is, itself, out of context for the original post, which is strictly about software patents. But yeah, at that point it had morphed into something else.
- hatefulmoron 3y agoFair enough, it's only tangentially related. I was more interested in replying to what the other person said.
- fooker 3y agoYes, at least the base versions of the drugs were. We use teeny tiny variations of the drugs which are supposedly more effective but are also much more expensive. Most other countries report significantly better healthcare outcomes with generic drugs.
- nradov 3y agoDrug discovery is the easy part. Many of the molecules come out of publicly funded academic research. The hard, expensive part is running the large-scale human trials necessary to demonstrate the level of safety and efficacy needed for FDA approval. There is no way to do that cheaply. That's why patents are needed as an economic incentive. In theory the government could nationalize the entire pharmaceutical industry but there is no evidence that bureaucrats are capable of reliably picking the right candidate drugs. Countries with weak IP protections do relatively little new drug development.
- dabraham1248 3y ago> but there is no evidence that bureaucrats are capable of reliably picking the right candidate drugs I'm not convinced that the govt bureaucrats would do a worse job than drug co bureaucrats. Current studies are poorly designed, implemented incorrectly, results are cherry-picked and gamed, p-hacking lives, ... This is an industry that can't even seem to accept pre-registration. Also, as you say, most of these molecules come from publicly funded research. Why would the group funding the first set of research (and producing more molecules than industry) automatically be bad at the second? In all, I'm not convinced that "Drug discovery is the easy part." If it was so easy, then why don't drug co's do it, and save the licensing fees?
- HeyLaughingBoy 3y ago> If it was so easy, then why don't drug co's do it, and save the licensing fees? Because licensing costs less and is risk-reduced?
- Eisenstein 3y ago> Why would the group funding the first set of research (and producing more molecules than industry) automatically be bad at the second? People have different motivations and talents. Woz is a great computer engineer and Jobs was a great salesman. One without the other wouldn't have given us ubiquitous personal computers. Same thing applies to organizations.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
- AlbertCory 3y ago> If I'm a pharmaceutical company you already had to disclose the chemical formula for your drug. This paper only applies to software.
- mughinn 3y agoAFAIK, most empirical studies don't show any benefit of patents for innovation I'm not sure specifically about pharmaceutical companies, though. They may be an exception.
- airstrike 3y agoI'd love to see who they picked for the control group
- codegeek 3y agoImagine if Jonas Salk said the same thing.
- daxvena 3y agoUmm because medicine is supposed to be about helping other people? Why would people spend billions of dollars trying to help others work through a natural disaster? To me that's one of the worst things about modern pharmaceutical companies, they care more about making money than actually helping people.
- PoignardAzur 3y agoIt's not like the "make money" part is superfluous, though. You need it for research.