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> From what I gathered I think it's missing the point, which is that pizza parties are for social bonding. I think you missed the whole point. The point of pi

> From what I gathered I think it's missing the point, which is that pizza parties are for social bonding. I think you missed the whole point. The point of pizza parties as exemplified in the article was to commemorate purely monetary milestones. Your boss rakes in a few millions, and all you get is a pizza that you need to share with coworkers? That's bullshit. But hey, some people like the bones that their boss throws at them.

Edd314159 3y ago
To quote Don Draper: that’s what the money is for! You already get a pre-negotiated salary and maybe a bonus plan, why is there an expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon?
- simplotek 3y ago
  > why is there an expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon? Sorry, that's a bullshit excuse to avoid having to pay employees. The very blog post from this discussion explicitly touches the issue of perceived value. Everyone seeks to maximize the value that they generate from their work. That's why salary is the single most important factor in deciding whether a job is worth it's and that is why yearly bonus and salary reviews are the single most important factor in retaining employees. Why is anyone trying to fabricate this idea that getting paid is not the single most important reason why most of us work?
  - Edd314159 3y ago
    What? Nobody is arguing that companies should avoid paying employees. How are you reading that? For the overwhelming majority of jobs, you get paid only what's in your contract. If that number is not enough, fine, renegotiate it if you are able. But employers cannot be expected to pay you more than you're entitled to.
    - fmajid 3y ago
      Small unexpected gifts have a disproportionate positive effect on morale: https://salesandmarketing.com/psychology-behind-unexpected-rewards/ https://salesandmarketing.com/psychology-behind-unexpected-r...
      - Edd314159 3y ago
        No doubt. But the key word is unexpected.
        fmajid 3y ago
        Yep. The hedonic treadmill strikes yet again.
    - simplotek 3y ago
      > What? Nobody is arguing that companies should avoid paying employees. How are you reading that? What? You're making those claims. You're coming with bullshit excuses like "expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon". This blend of bullshit talk doesn't pop up when some unexpected event hits and everyone is suddenly expected to "be a team player", and crunch time hits and the boss expects everyone to "go above and beyond". You better believe this investment road goes both ways. Being a team player means getting a share of all team wins, and a cold slice of pizza ain't it. > For the overwhelming majority of jobs, you get paid only what's in your contract. You're talking like yearly bonuses or performance reviews don't happen, and no one receives paid bonuses ever. Why are you pretending that employees don't get compensated by the value they create?
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    GP's point likely is that, by taking a salaried job, you're agreeing to take a low-risk, steady income. You do that, because you don't want your take-home pay to suddenly drop or disappear because the company had a worse month or quarter, or because you had a worse week. But this cuts both ways - you trade away the risk, you trade away the reward, so if the company has an excellent financial quarter, you're not entitled to any extra money because of it.
    - simplotek 3y ago
      > But this cuts both ways (...) What? No, it does not. If I create value for my employer, I better be compensated accordingly. If I don't then my employer is very quick in firing me. I can even be a top performer and get the axe, as the recent firing wave hitting FANGs demonstrates. You keep your cold slice of pizza. I need to get compensated by the value I created and being forced to join bullshit HR events is not a compensation.
      - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
        You signed the contract that said “you get paid X amount for Y work or better.” If you do Y+1, then obviously you get paid X. There was no clause on the contract you signed that you got paid proportional to your work, only that you got paid for doing a bare minimum of work or better. If you believe you should be paid proportional to your work, then do freelancing or have your own company. Just don’t cry over a contract you willingly signed and didn’t read.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  Then don't invite the plebs to celebrate. Rent a pent house for the executives only and go wild.
- david38 3y ago
  Agreed. An agreed upon salary yields agreed upon effort. If 95% of my income is salary, don’t expect the same motivation out of me as the CEO.
arketyp 3y ago
Yeah, but that's an anecdotal asshole anomaly and drawing a general conclusion from it is nonsense.
invalidusernam3 3y ago
Your boss rakes in a few millions, and all you get is a pizza And the salary I receive every month...
- simplotek 3y ago
  > And the salary I receive every month... You get a salary everywhere you work. Do you do volunteer work for a living? If I explicitly and directly work on something that makes my boss richer, you're damn sure I want to be rewarded by the value I brought to the company. The salary is what I charge to be in the building, but if I get my employer to actually hit a compensation milestone you're damn sure I want a cut of it, and a warm feeling inside that my boss is richer along with a slice of pizza mandated by HR is absolutely not it.
  - carlosjobim 3y ago
    > If I explicitly and directly work on something that makes my boss richer... That is the definition of having a job. Why do you think you are asked to do things at your job?

Edd314159 3y ago

To quote Don Draper: that’s what the money is for! You already get a pre-negotiated salary and maybe a bonus plan, why is there an expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon?

simplotek 3y ago
> why is there an expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon? Sorry, that's a bullshit excuse to avoid having to pay employees. The very blog post from this discussion explicitly touches the issue of perceived value. Everyone seeks to maximize the value that they generate from their work. That's why salary is the single most important factor in deciding whether a job is worth it's and that is why yearly bonus and salary reviews are the single most important factor in retaining employees. Why is anyone trying to fabricate this idea that getting paid is not the single most important reason why most of us work?
- Edd314159 3y ago
  What? Nobody is arguing that companies should avoid paying employees. How are you reading that? For the overwhelming majority of jobs, you get paid only what's in your contract. If that number is not enough, fine, renegotiate it if you are able. But employers cannot be expected to pay you more than you're entitled to.
  - fmajid 3y ago
    Small unexpected gifts have a disproportionate positive effect on morale: https://salesandmarketing.com/psychology-behind-unexpected-rewards/ https://salesandmarketing.com/psychology-behind-unexpected-r...
    - Edd314159 3y ago
      No doubt. But the key word is unexpected.
      - fmajid 3y ago
        Yep. The hedonic treadmill strikes yet again.
  - simplotek 3y ago
    > What? Nobody is arguing that companies should avoid paying employees. How are you reading that? What? You're making those claims. You're coming with bullshit excuses like "expectation of more money that nobody agreed upon". This blend of bullshit talk doesn't pop up when some unexpected event hits and everyone is suddenly expected to "be a team player", and crunch time hits and the boss expects everyone to "go above and beyond". You better believe this investment road goes both ways. Being a team player means getting a share of all team wins, and a cold slice of pizza ain't it. > For the overwhelming majority of jobs, you get paid only what's in your contract. You're talking like yearly bonuses or performance reviews don't happen, and no one receives paid bonuses ever. Why are you pretending that employees don't get compensated by the value they create?
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  GP's point likely is that, by taking a salaried job, you're agreeing to take a low-risk, steady income. You do that, because you don't want your take-home pay to suddenly drop or disappear because the company had a worse month or quarter, or because you had a worse week. But this cuts both ways - you trade away the risk, you trade away the reward, so if the company has an excellent financial quarter, you're not entitled to any extra money because of it.
  - simplotek 3y ago
    > But this cuts both ways (...) What? No, it does not. If I create value for my employer, I better be compensated accordingly. If I don't then my employer is very quick in firing me. I can even be a top performer and get the axe, as the recent firing wave hitting FANGs demonstrates. You keep your cold slice of pizza. I need to get compensated by the value I created and being forced to join bullshit HR events is not a compensation.
    - tourmalinetaco 3y ago
      You signed the contract that said “you get paid X amount for Y work or better.” If you do Y+1, then obviously you get paid X. There was no clause on the contract you signed that you got paid proportional to your work, only that you got paid for doing a bare minimum of work or better. If you believe you should be paid proportional to your work, then do freelancing or have your own company. Just don’t cry over a contract you willingly signed and didn’t read.
carlosjobim 3y ago
Then don't invite the plebs to celebrate. Rent a pent house for the executives only and go wild.
david38 3y ago
Agreed. An agreed upon salary yields agreed upon effort. If 95% of my income is salary, don’t expect the same motivation out of me as the CEO.

arketyp 3y ago

Yeah, but that's an anecdotal asshole anomaly and drawing a general conclusion from it is nonsense.

invalidusernam3 3y ago

Your boss rakes in a few millions, and all you get is a pizza And the salary I receive every month...

simplotek 3y ago
> And the salary I receive every month... You get a salary everywhere you work. Do you do volunteer work for a living? If I explicitly and directly work on something that makes my boss richer, you're damn sure I want to be rewarded by the value I brought to the company. The salary is what I charge to be in the building, but if I get my employer to actually hit a compensation milestone you're damn sure I want a cut of it, and a warm feeling inside that my boss is richer along with a slice of pizza mandated by HR is absolutely not it.
- carlosjobim 3y ago
  > If I explicitly and directly work on something that makes my boss richer... That is the definition of having a job. Why do you think you are asked to do things at your job?