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Inside “democratic” countries, they are just bribing via legal means - see lobbying.

by bilqis 3y ago

qikInNdOutReply 3y ago
Yes. Sadly yes. But its not spread societywide. You do not bribe your way out of law enforcement etc. You do not have that society wide tax on just "breathing" - yet. There is also not yet, the worst kind of corruption, were incompetence in education gets through and enshrined to entrench other corrupt incompetence and finally destroys the mechanism to dislodge incompetence. Were a visit to the doctor might kill you, because they all got their diploma because they know the same family and never spent a day awake and sober in university. And the health minister is from that family. And the whole anti-corruption self-repair mechanism is dysfunct, cause its married to that familys cousin.
- sebzim4500 3y ago
  >You do not bribe your way out of law enforcement etc. Don't you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_president_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_gra...
- bilqis 3y ago
  Well, maybe you don’t bribe directly by handing money over to an LEO. But I would say there is still tons of corruption that is based on influence, soft skills, knowing right people, donations to specific charities/political parties.
- deleted 3y ago
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- codersfocus 3y ago
  In the US at least, FOPs (social organizations / quasi union most police belong to) sell “donor cards” that specifically can be shown to grant favors similar to those one would be eligible in bribable countries.
usrusr 3y ago
There are certainly many bad things happening this way, but it's a far cry from the undeniably clear transaction structures of "those in control of formalities will block everything forever unless the inofficial tax is paid as well"
refurb 3y ago
So when EFF raises funds to petition elected officials to protect privacy that’s bribery? Because thats what lobbying is.
- zanellato19 3y ago
  Lobbying has a veneer of legitimacy, but it is mostly for bribing.
  - refurb 3y ago
    But bribery is illegal. So i dobt understand what people mean when they say “lobbying is legal bribery”. Please explain

Inside “democratic” countries, they are just bribing via legal means - see lobbying.

by bilqis 3y ago

Inside “democratic” countries, they are just bribing via legal means - see lobbying.

Yes. Sadly yes. But its not spread societywide. You do not bribe your way out of law enforcement etc. You do not have that society wide tax on just "breathing" - yet. There is also not yet, the worst kind of corruption, were incompetence in education gets through and enshrined to entrench other corrupt incompetence and finally destroys the mechanism to dislodge incompetence. Were a visit to the doctor might kill you, because they all got their diploma because they know the same family and never spent a day awake and sober in university. And the health minister is from that family. And the whole anti-corruption self-repair mechanism is dysfunct, cause its married to that familys cousin.

sebzim4500 3y ago
>You do not bribe your way out of law enforcement etc. Don't you? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_president_of_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_gra...
bilqis 3y ago
Well, maybe you don’t bribe directly by handing money over to an LEO. But I would say there is still tons of corruption that is based on influence, soft skills, knowing right people, donations to specific charities/political parties.
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codersfocus 3y ago
In the US at least, FOPs (social organizations / quasi union most police belong to) sell “donor cards” that specifically can be shown to grant favors similar to those one would be eligible in bribable countries.

usrusr 3y ago

There are certainly many bad things happening this way, but it's a far cry from the undeniably clear transaction structures of "those in control of formalities will block everything forever unless the inofficial tax is paid as well"

refurb 3y ago

So when EFF raises funds to petition elected officials to protect privacy that’s bribery? Because thats what lobbying is.

zanellato19 3y ago
Lobbying has a veneer of legitimacy, but it is mostly for bribing.
- refurb 3y ago
  But bribery is illegal. So i dobt understand what people mean when they say “lobbying is legal bribery”. Please explain